Michael Welch wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:41 PM:
" Well she even self identified as 'silly' didn't she -- look if FACTS were the 'standard' the 'Christians' who comment about me on Jimmy Gillman's blog would have a good number of their comments removed. We just live with calumny and slander and answer 'eye for eye'; that's the blog nature as I've been taught and 'taught' over and over. BUT this blog has its 'disclaimer' for the record -- yet it smells of the resonance of Marlon Brando's complaint as 'Kurtz' in 'Apocalypse Now' that American indiscriminate bombing is fully acceptable but 'you can't write f--- on your plane [on the fusilage] because it is obscene!' Obscenity comes in more forms than Carlin's 'seven words' and 'personal attacks and slander' abound on this blog and have for years. I know from LONG experience... "
c2sides wrote on Aug 1, 2008 5:41 PM:
" Hey Michael, the comment was taken off because the person "sillyme" personally and inppropriately attached Archbishop Burke. S/he was not criticizing the Church, which WOULD be appropriate and frankly, I would join in. S/he was also not attacking Burke's programs and policies (many of which I also disagree with); she accused him of "stealing" from the Church, and said that Satan would be waiting for him. This goes beyond free speech and is the reason a Church official needed a bodyguard this week at the Shrine. A lot of so called Christians need to start walking their talk. "
Michael Welch wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:18 PM:
" I wish that comment -- though I disagreed with it -- had not been removed; Catholics ought to defend their interpretation of their faith while understanding that others have theirs even if it's 'wrong.' Many folks 'raised Catholic' have had rough times due to its penchant for certain rigid, punitive thinking -- which is unfortunately part of MOST 'Christian' attitudes, especially those of the 'Phil O'Bates' type, the literalist right wing evangelical. Burke's 'problem' is that he emphasizes punishing in the name of legality (he's a church lawyer after all) when he ought to underscore pastoral mercy -- THAT's why they've kicked him upstairs (to the top Vatican court); he ain't no 'pastor'... "
c2sides wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:51 PM:
" And by the way Sillyme, your religion is Christianity, your denomination is Catholicism. One doesn't "switch religions" because they diagree with a representative of that Church (unless you disagree with Christ I suppose). Switch denominations if you disagree with doctrine, but why would you assume that a representative of any Church IS that Church? Human beings are imperfect and there are people in every denomination who we may not agree with. "
c2sides wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 PM:
" Dear Sillyme - your comments are disgusting. So much so that I'll be asking the Tribune to remove it. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic Schools for most of my schooling. I am not a confirmed Catholic and disagree with so many of the doctrines of the Church. That being said, I grew up knowing Archbishop Burke. He is a brilliant, humble, and good man. Disagreeing with his views, projects, beliefs, does not grant you the right to so maliciously insult him. If anyone's heading south at judgment day, it would more likely be someone like you, who is hateful, than a man who has dedicated his life to service and God. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM:
" By the way just ONE of the 'pagan' celebrations taken over so to speak was the feast day for the popular resurrection god Mithras and that day was --? Oh you guessed already -- sure it was December 25. NO ONE really 'knows' the year Jesus was born (the gospels don't give a specific date), much less the month and day, so every winter solstice ALL Christians (even the proties) 'borrow' ol' Mithras' birthday for Jesus. And it's been VERY successful I'd say... "
Michael Welch wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM:
" Catholicism is such a good religion because it can be 'inclusive' at its best; after all to be 'catholic' is to be 'universal' eh. Having been founded within a polytheistic society the church of Rome subsumed really all the 'minor' gods and goddesses by proclaiming 'feast days' for numerous 'saints' that coincided with particular 'pagan' festivals and replaced in effect that devotion with devotion to Christian representative patrons. It has worked very well and so the church is the largest Christian denomination in the world while protestants are divided into several hundred sects that can't make up their minds -- except to disparage Catholics!... "
LAX wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:01 PM:
" I agree with Wheezer. If only the Indians had known what the "Christians" had in store for them when they set about to "save" the native Americans... The Indians should have killed every one of those "Christians" as they got off the boat...Same goes for the Africans when the "Christian" slave traders came calling... "
free_speech wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 AM:
" They should put up a shrine to brett favre at lamblow instead. Or maybe Ted Thompson. "
Terri wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:47 AM:
" Now I've heard it all... a nun says that a turtle is sacred! This is idol worshiping! When Moses came down the mountain with the 10 commandments, they Israelites had made a sacred golden calf. God was angry with the Israelites and sent Moses down the mountain to give them an "attitude adjustment". Please read Exodus 32 to see how God feels about making anything but Him sacred. "
Darwin wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:40 AM:
" Hmmmm.... let's play connect the dots.
It's really all very political.
1- Dream up a Shrine, start fund-raising to make it happen, get a nice promotion in the Church.
-or-
2- Get a on the Shrine board, also raise funds, and suddenly a person of your heritage in enshrined.
Does one have to pay to play? The poor really needs a better lobby, both with the government AND the Church. "
Kris wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:01 AM:
" If you know anything about what a christian believes and the Holy Bible then you know that the Catholic church is way off base. All this is, is IDOL worship. Jesus is the only intersesor for people, not some dead person who can not do a thing or some bronze statue. Read your BIBLE. "
Seriously Now wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:51 AM:
" Congrats to all the Catholic bashers for being so eager to spoil something they know nothing about. We also didn't go to the moon just because you say so,right? "
Wheezer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:02 AM:
" "For over 300 years it was always what the Catholic Church did for the Native Americans, Lenz said." HA, let's talk about what the Catholic Church has done for the Native Americans! Don't these people read history books!? Conquering the Native Americans, forcing them into Christianity, stealing their land!!?? Yeah, I see what the Catholic Church has done for the Native Americans. "
leftlax wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 AM:
" Good luck finding evidence (proof?) of a "miracle" performed in the 15th century. Sainthood? Relics? Miracles? Sounds more like voodoo to me. "