High Plains Drifter wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:37 AM:
" Anna is the sharpest tack in the bunch here:Anna wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:52 PM:
" The one and only time I ever came to a Logger game was spent ducking from foul balls...never been to another one since. "
It boils down to the free choice of putting oneself st risk or not. "
Hai Karate wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:21 PM:
" I hope Emily makes a full recovery. Where did it happen, Lumber Lounge? Limited-duty rule. A NJ Supreme Court {New Jersey Law Journal 9/23/05} ruling allowed a lawsuit to continue when an injury from a flying ball occurs somewhere other than in the stands. Justice James Zazzali led a 5-2 majority in striving to keep the baseball rule viable for parts of the ballpark but not others. He drew a distinction between "the stands", the seats at a stadium and concourse areas where concession stands are typically located. "Multipurpose areas, such as concourses and playground areas," where fans' attention is distracted from the game, are outside the limited-duty rule. These areas of the stadium are governed by the business invitee rule, by which a premises owner owes a duty of reasonable care to guard against dangerous conditions it knows about or should have discovered. "
jenisgone wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:12 PM:
" Twilite- From what I've read I really don't think that anyone was blaming the mom by saying she should have seen the ball coming and deflected it. I think they were saying she should have known a foul ball could reach were they were sitting. Regardless, It's not her fault or the parks fault. It was a tragic accident. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:07 AM:
" I've gone to many loggers games and sat behind the net with my daughter. but if you're taking an entire family at $7/seat behind the net, it gets spendy. still cheap entertainment, but still. whoever's blaming the mom - go to a game. the foul balls are hit so fast and there's no way to watch it constantly. this was an accident, no one to blame. "
Common Sense wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:56 PM:
" To Diane, GET A GRIP! My comment was aimed at those posting before me. It had nothing to do with the injured girl or her family. And while you are on your high horse, you might as well know, I have lost a daughter, so I am w-a-y past experiencing what they have. The next time you think you should lecture someone, you might consider that possibility. At least this family still has their daughter, and I pray for her recovery. "
hlh77 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM:
" Once again, we start putting "blame" on an accident. I too was hit as a child by a foul ball... funny enough, i can say that now, but it was my dad who it the foul ball, it was a pop up and it hit me square in the back. sure it was scary then, and my injuries weren't as significant as emily's, but these things do happen and all we can do is pray for whoever it was that was injured! My prayers are with Emily and her family! "
midwest wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:22 AM:
" How high of a fence would it take to stop people from sueing? There are no guarentees in life, and people would still be getting hurt even if you required helmets and face guards.
We should take responsibility for our own decisions, and that means by going to a ballgame you take the risk of a fly ball entering the stands.
Our "sue" happy society is ruining the future of all our kids. "
conscience? wrote on Aug 11, 2008 6:59 AM:
" I'm just guessing here, but I would assume the state has some sort of minimum requirement for fence height at ball parks used by these leagues. Park owners should be responsible if they didn't follow regulations, but otherwise it's just a terrible accident. I went to a Brewer's game a few years ago and the same thing happened. There is nothing they can do to stop all balls from reaching the crowd.
I hope for a full recovery for this adorable little girl. "
WAIT..WHAT? wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:43 PM:
" If this happened at the game, shouldn't the Loggers be responsible for all medical bills?? I was at a game about a month ago and a little boy got hit with a ball in the leg, nothing as serious as this little girl, but still. "
theblob wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:56 PM:
" By the way, in the cases I listed, the Cubs never paid the injured kid/family a penny, but they did have players visit him, gave him some presents and tickets to another game. The kid and his family all said they want to go back. Unlike some on here who say the family should sue, google it in past similar cases and find NONE were successful. Don't ever leave your house, of course don't look at number of accidents in houses. "
hardworker wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:43 PM:
" To all of your losers crying SUE, SUE, SUE - - You are a pitiful excuse for living. I'm sure the family is only concentrating on Emily's recovery and praying for continued improvement every day. It would help if you would fold your hands and pray for this sweet, little girl.
People beware, if you meet up with anyone crying SUE, they may just sue you for being there. "
theblob wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:10 PM:
" There are many examples of people being injuried while watching all types sporting events over many years. Recently a small boy at his first Chicago Cubs game was hit in head by a foul ball, off a batters 'BUNT' attempt, which is LOW speed compared to a swung-at pitch. The boy needed CPR by emt's and wound up in hospital ICU for nearly 10 days with brain swelling. Another recent tragedy is a baseball coach that was KILLED by a foul ball. Read up on Google and educate yourself. Most baseball parks have low fences, many have NONE on foul lines. It was an accident and there are worse ones, don't ever go outside if you are worried. "
teachmom wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Putting in a fence would be easier than a lifetime of guilt if someone ever does die as a result of something like this. Hopefully that little girl will recover fully as time goes on. Everyone always wants someone to blame when something bad happens, and sometimes it truly is just a terrible accident. To her mother: I cannot imagine the anguish you must have felt and still feel... my prayers are with you especially... "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 10, 2008 5:29 PM:
" To EMILY's parents I suggest you,
SUE SUE SUE ... and SUE EVERYBODY!!!! Put that lawyer to work and get Nestor to help you and sue everybody again! I wish Emily well. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 10, 2008 5:25 PM:
" BO: I would argue that the disclaimer on the ticket could be argued in a civil matter if there was GROSS NEGLECT on the citys part who leases it to the senator. What just because you can recite a statue and use a law ;library I should quiver LOL. So if it says it aint so it aint so then is that what your saying BILL?
As for possums response it was my Crystal Ball (just got it clear coated) and it doesnt matter to me who it is Senator or not I would retain council and do an investigation of the facts and wheigh what options available. "
just a thought... wrote on Aug 10, 2008 4:55 PM:
" Hey Triscuit, I do know about the ads being in rotation on the web page. What I was referring to was in the actual paper edition. You know the one that is delivered to your house. And what was so pitiful about my comment? "
triscuit wrote on Aug 10, 2008 4:19 PM:
" TO: "Just a thought..." Refresh your browser, you'll find a new advertisement. The Tribune does not establish which ads are shown. It's a random rotation. And you might find something better to do with your life than leave such pitiful comments. "
Anna wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:52 PM:
" The one and only time I ever came to a Logger game was spent ducking from foul balls...never been to another one since. "
Go Cards wrote on Aug 10, 2008 1:11 PM:
" I was at the game when Emily was injured, and I posted on the original article saying the fence along the third base line needs to be higher. That alone would prevent another injury such as this. I was sitting with some co-workers in the bleachers along the first base side, and that area is not safe either. Those ballplayers are college aged men, and they throw hard-that ball was going probably 90 mph when it hit Emily. The fences definitely need to be higher. My thoughts are with the Reid family-I hope Emily makes a full recovery. "
just a thought... wrote on Aug 10, 2008 1:05 PM:
" I found it in bad taste for the Tribune to put an advertisement for the Loggers right next to the story. "
JHeb wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:53 AM:
" Ok just to start off with I am Heidi's nephew and Emily's cousin...Heidi would NEVER put her children in dangers way she is the best mother/person on the face of this planet...I did drive up to the hospital and emily was in serious condition and for you all to say it was her and her mothers fault that is wong...Emily's skull was caved in...SHE IS 6 YEARS OLD!! for all of your prayers we the family appreciate them and thank you! And if your telling the Reids to get a lawyer..its none of your bussiness what they do. All that my family wants is for Emily to recover and Live a happy life..She is a wonderful little girl and we want for her to be 100% in the future... "
Bill O'reilly wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:40 AM:
" Cmon Jackson. Go see your public defenders and sit on his knee while he reads you WI state statute 895.525 that covers participation in recreational activities, restrictions on civil liability, and assumption of risk. I am sure he will give the discounted $150.00 hourly rate with your family discount and all. You think Kapanke or any other sporting event would still exist without this statute being on the books. Try to educate yourself before posting pal! "
ryeguy wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:35 AM:
" I also had a concussion and bleeding on the brain from a football injury. I spent several days in the hospital. I recall having many of Emily's symptoms for several months - bad headaches, nightmares, blackouts (for instance, finding myself in line for lunch at school and having no idea how I got there), irritability, and difficulty concentrating. Other than my academics suffering that term, I had no long term effects and went on to play the next season and do well academically. I wish Emily all the best for a full recovery. I am sure she will be fine in the long run. "
ryeguy wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:29 AM:
" I recall that each ticket has on it a declaration that by purchasing and attending you agree to take full responsibility for any ballgame related accidents while you are there, and you absolve the organization and the city of any obligation. It is pretty clear.
On a lighter note, and not to minimize this girl's injury: my brother got hit in the temple and was knocked out at a Minneapolis Millers' game many years ago when a foul ball skipped off the top of the 3rd base fence. He wasn't watching the game and never saw it coming. I managed to retrieve the ball, and he made a full recovery, except that he went on to get a PhD in English Literature and to have a career as a university professor at a Big 10 school. Otherwise he was OK. "
audifan08 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:49 AM:
" Read the back of the ticket. People in the stands assume all risks. Obongo cannot protect America. "
common-cents wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:23 AM:
" I would file a lawsuit today, then things would change at the parks. Someone will be killed at some point. I have to ask would you sit your kids in a batting cage at riverside park down the right side ? I don't think so. "
common-cents wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:17 AM:
" I have been telling people for years don't sit in the 1st baseline seats at all. I've gone to well over 300 baseball games and I've seen at least 30 injuries and 5 very serious. If the ballpark wants you to be safe, nets are in order. All ballparks with low fences and no nets should have fans sign a waiver so they understand that death or injuries could occur by sitting in that section. And always keep your eye on the batter, always......keep your kids safe sit high up. "
Diane wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:09 AM:
" To Common Sense: You are turning an accident into a political statement. I pray you never have to go through such an ordeal with anyone you love. Your prayers should be genuinely for the family. I have worked as a nurse with Heidi several years ago at an area nursing home and she is a great nurse and mother. It sounds like Emily is getting better but may have problems in the future. It also sounds like the Logger field needs some renovations for safety needs of spectators. As far as obtaining a lawyer, I would for Emily's sake but, that is up to the family. You are in my prayers. "
nana3 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:46 AM:
" Too many people try to get something for nothing. I sympathize with this family, a head injury is serious and scary. My son had a fractured skull when he was 2, his is 35 now, except for occasional migraines he is fine. It took a while for him too but he went on to live a wonderful life.
If you go to a baseball game, you might get hit by a foul ball. I have been hit several times by foulballs, because I wasn't paying attention. Parents should be aware of the possibility of being hit by a foulball. So who do the previous posters think the lawyer should go after? The city of LaCrosse? The Loggers? The batter who hit the foulball? The Mom? The child? Who's fault is it? The answer is no one, it was an accident. "
Sully wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:45 AM:
" To not have a lawyer is crazy. It is not about a big settlement. It is about looking out for her interests. A trust could be set up for future needs, if any. If it is not needed it can be returned. It is not like she spilled hot coffee on herself. Apparently there is a foreseeable risk of serious injury that has not been addressed. To those that say accidents happen you are right. However, we carry all kids of insurance to cover ourselves if we hurt or cause someone to be hurt. Lawyers do serve a purpose. Some are ambulance chasing scumbags I agree. As far as Dan being republican I could car less. This is about Emily and only Emily. See you at the benefit. "
love lax wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:04 AM:
" Accidents happen. A taller fence /net would be a great idea. Parent not at fault either, there are chances that we all take , seen or unseen, everyday. Lawyers are not the cure all, that is ridiculous. Just thank God this little girl is on the mend. Instead of expecting others to make this "right", go to the benefit and make yourself feel good for helping a very good family. "
Common Sense wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:47 AM:
" IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!! It sounds like she is doing very well, and we should all be praying for a complete recovery for her. To you who are pushing for a lawyer, would you be doing that if Dan was not a republican politician? I would bet not. "
possom133 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Oh, and Jackson how do you know this litle girl will have problems the rest of her life? Were you her attending at the hospital or are you looking in your crystal ball. "
possom133 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:22 AM:
" Oh no, no, no, Jackson that is Big Dans field now he should take care of it all! "
gjmom wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:20 AM:
" This is such a GREAT family to know. They are all very sweet people. Heidi would NEVER put her children in the way of danger, especially if she had any reason to believe they would be hurt. A child with a traumatic injury or illness is very hard on the whole family. The Ried's are doing everything they can to care for their daughter. Our prayers are with the entire Ried family. My you all heal 100%!! "
Sully wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:58 AM:
" I think getting a lawyer is he right thing in this case also. Future problems, loss of income from medical complications are all very possible. I truly hope that this little girl recovers 100%. However it must be insured that her future interests are looked out for now. Once you sign off it's over. Any issues after that will be on the parents, or the state to deal with. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Autopilot: Dont expect any improvements anytime soon for to fix it now would be a huge admission of guilt on the city and the loggers part. You share the consenses with many others about not feeling safe and its not if but when it happens again.Ball watchers beware! "
Auto Pilot wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:45 AM:
" I took my young family to the game on Thursday night as well. We sat in the general admission bleachers along the first base side. When you sit there in the evening, you can't see anything around home plate because of the setting sun directly in your eyes. Trying to pick up a foul ball off the bat is impossible. After the first inning, we took our young kids out of there because they were standing along the 3 foot high fence, fully exposed to a possible foul ball. Unless something is done (taller fence?) it will be a long time before I feel comfortable taking my kids back there. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:41 AM:
" GET A LAWYER! This child is gonna need care for her entire life and though donations are great to pay what insurance doesnt it wont be enough. Any expert can testify that the ball park is substandard and puts people at risk simply because you using semi pro players not kids and bar leaguers with substandard fencing.The city holds a huge liability here and this is one thing I wont mind seeing my tax dollars pay for.Prayers for Emily! Mom Dad get a lawyer!Curious reader:The parents can control the outcome of their childs future after an uncontrolable accident by getting Emily a lawyer. ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS THE PARENTS FAULT FOR NOT MOVING? "
Curious Reader wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:14 AM:
" That is what is wrong with the world today. Everyone's first thought is "Get a lawyer". I understand completely that this little girl was hurt due to no fault of her own, however as a parent it is our responsibility to survey a situation and detect any possible dangers. I went to my first Loggers game this summer with my kids and sat along the third base line. After the seeing the first foul ball fly over the bleachers we moved to make sure my kids were safe. We all bear some personal responsibility in an incident and there is such a thing as accidents in which no one can control. "
HonestAbe wrote on Aug 10, 2008 1:05 AM:
" wow, donations? speak to a lawyer. "
binques wrote on Aug 9, 2008 11:55 PM:
" amen. "
mls3 wrote on Aug 9, 2008 11:47 PM:
" The fence along the 3rd base line/ bleacher section is only about 4 to 4 1/2 feet high and needs to be higher with the speed the balls come flying past there. A persons reaction time is not quick enough to try to stop a ball coming that way. The Loggers need to have a 6ft. high fence along the baselines! period. "