tower wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:15 PM:
" My Turn, what are you rambling about? In a battle of wits you come half armed. There is more to a system information then only response times. Answer the rest of the questions. You can't because you don't know what you are talking about.
At least the paramedics on this site have knowledge of what they are talking about. Go take your meds now and be a good little boy. "
Insightful1 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:07 AM:
" Tower - the response time data is posted on the Tri-State web site under "performance indicators". All other data can be provided very easily if you'd like, just ask. Interestingly, FD never posted response time data until Tri-State started it 18 months ago! "
dfib wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:44 PM:
" Tower- I would suggest you contact Mr Matt Zavadsky from TSA and ask for some information. I'd bet he'd be willing to accommodate you. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:17 PM:
" Sorry, 'Tower' has stuck his foot in the bucket. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:16 PM:
" Reading the old thread from this weekend it seems has indeed stuck his foot in the bucket. You are an 'insider' or at the very least a political pal. Doyle, the 'Slam Dunk' Mayor, and those who follow them have now been slowed down on 'fast tracking' this Plan. Reflected on the Tribunes Editorial that was squeezed out by a seldom seen collective pool of integrity over at the Paper. It could possibly be the death nail for yet another 'emergency' bit of business at City Council. Giving outside the loop onlookers time to gather their own statistics, and most importantly scrutinize what we have been privy one sidedly to already. The brake lever seems to have been pulled, Thank Goodness, it is how our System is supposed to work. Not gathering the needed papers and running down the Council aisles for vote. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:29 PM:
" Even the Tribune has had to fold on this one, and Editorialize a need to at least pull on the reins. Given a normal time to digest the 'Plan', and hear ALL of the sides and numbers would be the just thing to do. Given even short breathing room taxpayers may expect alternative numbers and data coming soon. Very soon! "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:24 PM:
" A scrutiny of numbers, others areas, etc should be undertaken. If taxpayers and other concerned citizens ar given a chance to do so. As it appears our height challenged Mayor is coming down the lane to be only hoisted high by his Council minions to slam through yet another piece of City business without scrutiny. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:24 PM:
" The 'Slam Dunk' Mayor will attempt to do just exactly that, in a City Council introduction and short period to run it through. The Mayor stepped in it at last weeks WIZM interview. When asked who gathered his power point numbers? and How can we obtain a worksheet derived to arrive at them? His answer was, "The numbers have been determined by Chief Cleveland and the Fire Department and have been determined by studying other Fire based Systems around the State of WI. Could we have a better example of NO expertise, and very possibly Cherry picking? Our Financial Department at City is in 'shambles', reflected by the many stacks of papers in the Directors office, and inability to answer simple bookkeeping questions when asked. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:12 PM:
" It seems to me that Mr. Tower is a 'Plant' in a controversy to sway public opinion. Careful not to be blatantly branded with obtuse statements, yet always present subliminally pushing in a direction. Slowly you may watch him head toward the ultimate 'last stand' on this topic, and their side, 'FEAR'. Encompassed in 'response times', response time that nobody has had a problem with until the Slam Dunk Mayor made promises and concocted this ill conceived plan to enter the ambulance business with our taxpayer money. "
tower wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:04 PM:
" I would agree but I wasn't necessarily talking about the financial only. How about run times, receiving hospital, type of run (trauma or not),
transport time, city vs county response times,
ALS vs BLS runs, etc. I simple don't see that happening without message of the numbers. I know those numbers are always put out there in raw data. There are more items to look at then just money. "
Insightful1 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 1:50 PM:
" I've heard that the CPA who spoke at the hearing took Matt up on his offer to review Tri-State's numbers. He went to Tri-State last week and reviewed the "raw data" and Tri-State even voluntarily gave him the raw financial data to take with him to review further - that seems pretty transparent to me. "
dfib wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Does anyone know of another area that uses as similar board that we could look to for a model?
Tower- Perfect point about the commission having the ability to gather "raw" data. That would be a beautiful "transparent" change!
I would really like to see some "hard", justified numbers from both sides prior to any decision, rather than some figures thrown up on a power point presentation with no justification behind them. "
tower wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:44 AM:
" I agree with Insight. Set the board up as was proposed. I didn't see TSA or GL object many years ago when the County Board looked into the services then. What they seem to be saying is Government stay out unless you are on our side.
I also think any commission should be set up to get information in raw form so it can not be managed. I don't think GL/TSA or the FD are telling it truthfully.
Only part I didn't like of the piece was we should lay off GL because they are the "biggest" taxpayer. How is a non profit a taxpayer and why should we care how big they are? Do we care about the taxes anyone else pays in the business world? How about Trane, or City Brewery. "
Common Sense wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:05 AM:
" Has there been a problem with Tri-State? Have they been slow to respond? Has anyone suffered unduly because Tri-State handled a situation poorly? How many complaints have there been about Tri-State's service? Exactly WHY do city officials think they need to do this, and why have we heard so little about the reason? If Tri-State goes out of business because of this, where does that leave everyone else who lives outside of La Crosse? "
Insightful1 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:39 AM:
" The Editorial Board is correct - let the appropirately selected EMS Commission sift through all the information and decide. I trust that the proper balance of elected officials from all around the county, healthcare experts and doctors can make the right decision. Why would the City NOT want to let regional elected officials, healthcare experts and doctors make the decision? Hmmmm? "