oldfashioned wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:25 AM:
" burn her at the stake! "
Clyde wrote on Aug 23, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Has the defendant ever owned a pet? Has the defendant ever with held food from that pet? If yes, what was the result of with holding food? If no, why would you not treat a baby atleast as you would a pet? "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:59 AM:
" Slinger1919: Thank you for trying to add something on topic instead of the dribble thats corrupted the thread like an AOL chat room. The headline is about Intent and Legal course of action in disputing the 1st degree murder charge.I know you got that but its obvious most didnt LOL. "
kimmie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:41 PM:
" To: tangj89
I have never had a child but I do know where the resources are, both while pregnant & afterward. Plus this "thing" lived liked 5 blocks away from the hospital? Why waste taxpayers money on this - lock her away, don't feed her & then throw her into a cooler to be taken out to the trash! "
slinger1919 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:22 PM:
" This county is known for over charging. There will more than likely be a plea deal to a 2nd degree murder or even a possible manslaughter charge. It's kind a sick but it's also a game of chicken in the court system. Most of the time neither side want to ever go to trial! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:02 PM:
" Jesus Christ after reading this blog I cant help but wonder if ms book was as stupid as her freinds?
I just cannot even begin to comment on what Ive read here!This is now a legal issue like no other and 90% of the dribble on this blog means squat 0 when it comes to trying this case. "
gracie12 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:57 PM:
" All I know for sure is that that sweet baby didn't deserve to be put in a cooler and left outside for the trash man to pick up, and is now somewhere decomposed in a large garbage dump. She had no respect for this baby's life or death. She probably didn't even bother to dress the baby. "
gracie12 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:46 PM:
" Why was she even released? A couple of weeks ago my young son's rabbit died. We took her to the vet hoping the vet could save her life. She couldn't. We took the rabbit home once it died and had a burial service. My son put flowers on the grave and said, "I love you." He cried all the way home.We gave that pet rabbit more respect and love than a grown woman (yes, she's nineteen) who threw her baby out in the trash. Just think of a beautiful baby who might have had a chance to live had her mother not discarded her like she was trash. "
tandj89 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:13 PM:
" to dismantled: i went to school with this girl she was a DRUGGIE. I am now pregnant and ALL PREGNANT WOMEN IN THE USA, REGARDLESS OF INCOME, MARRIAGE, RACE, ETC. get FREE PRENANTAL CARE and AFTERCARE from an organization called BADGERCARE other countries are too poor and dont have this. be glad you live somewhere that does that. I am tired of people trying to justify this girl's actions.....you can also drop babies off WHEREVER. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. she was probably too doped up on crack to call the cops. 1st degree homicide is JUSTICE, prison is JUSTICE.......dont let people fool you and try to make you feel bad for them. (by the way: W.I.C provides more than enough free formula and breastpumps if you need them) there were too many resources for this girl. She was just dumb and IGNORANT! "
Gracenote wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:38 PM:
" This story makes me feel physically ill. I'm a mother of 3 - all born in the hospital. One of my sons died in my arms shortly after he was born due to fatal birth defects. Never did I consider putting him in a cooler for the trash man to collect. Is this Indra mentally ill or mentally challenged? She probably should have been under some kind of supervision. Hopefully she will have some for a long time...in prison. "
oopsy daisy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:00 PM:
" Boy some people sure have a limited vocabulary.Those long work weeks must be making somebody alittle testy.I'm sure happy that I was able to retire at 45 and I don't have to work 50 to 60 hours a week. I would have even more money but I choose not to kill my babies and I helped them through college so they can use big words....dismantled:v taken apart,discouraged...how appropriate. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:41 PM:
" as you stated women have children by themselves all the time all over the world. what if this happened in africa. would it be a crime or just a way of life? the US has set the bar so high for normal social behavior that is makes individuals second class citizens. To think or belive that this doesnt happen all over the world daily is just plain ignorant. Hope others read this and see the angle... "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:34 PM:
" Well.. I am not a trailor park kid obviously huh? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:33 PM:
" I never tried to be a victim. Sad thing is, that little baby was the victim. Indra is not, she brought this all on. My point is plain and simple. A baby is dead, maybe it would have died no matter what. No one made an attempt to save it. No one. Where does it stop, what makes what happened ok? What makes that baby's life and rights any less of those of Indra's that you fight for. I will not change your mind of her intent, neither will you change my mind of her irresponsible, selfishness. I am done, its time for supper at my house. This has gone too far between two people who have no clue about the other's life. We do know Indra's words she uttered to the police in the report. Those were her own words. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:23 PM:
" You are right. I have no forgiveness in my heart for this girl. Yes, this could happen to any of us, my daughter included. What would I do? Be extremely disappointed that I had failed as a parent. That my daughter did not come to me. That i did not teach my daughter right from wrong. I would be ashamed of her and myself. I would be embarrassed. What would I do? I hope to never find out. I know she is not in jail right now, but she soon may be in prison, far worse than jail. I don't wish people harm, as I do not wish her harm. But I have no understanding for forgiveness for what she has done. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:22 PM:
" Oh, IC you can't be a victim and and predetor in this discussion...
Don't pretend to be weak and strong in the same argument. Destroys credibilty.
Even a Trailer Park Kid Knows than. TPK for life... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:18 PM:
" What, and what if this was a case of battery, abuse, and rape? How would you address it? The sad fact is that the public has a fraction of the truth. I am not saying the above statement is true or false. The way things are right now only speculation is available. My point of the day is that there is such a lack of information out there that an opion is just that. Not enough facts. The day 2 detectives drag your 100 pound frame into a room and don't let you have food or communication for 8 hours, let me know how you react. "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:16 PM:
" Prediction: Plea agreement: Felony child neglect causing death, Felony concealing a corpse as a read in only charge. Sentence: Who knows in this county, sure will depend on the judge. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:12 PM:
" She is not in jail. I stated before I am here on my DAY OFF, walked outside for that, and I have a purpose. I am here sticking up for a friend that has been beat down by the retarded and uninformed puplic. This girl has has mutliple letters of support sent to her from pillars of this community that you seem to so love. The sad part is that you are most likely are a far right with no care or forgiveness in your heart. what would you do if you had a daughter in this situation? And don't say it couldnt happen. Please respond and then let her read it. Then let your neighbor read it. Write a letter to the editorial department and sign it. I am on record in the paper. Do the same... "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:00 PM:
" Dismantle, you say the discussion was never about what kind of parent I am. Yet you did ask me what I was doing on a computer, told me to hug and call my kids to tell them I love them. You told me to love and support them.. like I don't? If that is not questioning my parenting... I guess I don't know what is. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:52 PM:
" you forgot one thing... amused by your intelligence. By the way, you have been here longer than I have.. na na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaa! If you care so much about this and protecting your friend, make sure you visit her often in prison. Too bad you weren't there for her all those months she was in denial, or while she was delivering or trying to feed that little baby girl. I don't even know her and I would have been there for that baby if I had the chance to save her. "
nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:46 PM:
" Tribune trash talk....this does sound eerily similar to what one hears on the CB. Perhaps some of the CB folk have upgraded to a PC? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:44 PM:
" Who stated I am not a parent? The discussion was never about how good of a parent you may be. As far as the preaching goes I am not sure what you mean by this. You are the one still on here after 6 hours. I have a purpose here and you have an obsession with this disscusion. You have no connection to this outside of being a mother. Find something better to do with your family. From what I can guess you are very lonely and this is stimulating. So go procreate..give a bj..push a swing. If your life is so busy, great and fullfiling leave this alone. Oh and go f yourself. In the nicest way ofcourse. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:39 PM:
" you can find me with the same name on the popular instant messaging service. you will find me as ic20_20. that im service starts with a y. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:32 PM:
" Maybe you should call your friend and preach to her. I work the hours I do to provide good medical benefits for my children. Due to the fact they all had expensive hospital stays because of their prematurity and one has health issues that continue to this day. I spose if I was a stay at home mom (which I truly wish I could be) you would be yelling at me to get off the county and get a job! "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:32 PM:
" Not that I need to show what a great mom I am... but if my kids were right under my feet right now, I would. My kids are hugged, loved, and adored, every moment I get. My husband and I spend time reading, playing, and teaching them. Its the poor little souls that never had a chance that you should worry about. Go preach to the people who abuse their kids, or keep pumping more out just to get more assistance from the county. Being you are not a parent, I treasure your advice since you are in a great position to be giving it. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:25 PM:
" Lol... ok, I will give you that Dismantled. You ARE PC, I had to laugh outloud at that one. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:25 PM:
" Head to Head? Really? Is that a challenge to fist a cuffs...I know some of you giggled. Why don't you and your hubby and 4 glory holes sit down and talk about this. If you are such a family "women" wtf are you doing on here insted of spending quality time with them. Some one has got to agree with me on this. I mean really if you work 60 or more hours a week what are you doing on here. Love them and give them support so they don't allegedly f up like this. you are so proud of the delivery keep it going and leave this waste of your precious time alone. be mom and call them all and tell them you love them. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:20 PM:
" Mobile Home Park is the PC statement, sir. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:19 PM:
" no not allegedly... she did state it as fact. No where does she say in the criminal complaint..."i allegedly gave birth, tried to feed it, and then took a nap. When I awoke, it had allegedly died so I allegedly wrapped it in a towel and allegedly placed it in a cooler." I would love to go head to head with you on this dismantled so that we can spare all the others of our banter. It is true, our conversation does have the resemblence of a trailor park picnic. With that and since I can not get in touch with you personally by any means on here, I will stop now. I wish I had never started and that this whole story didn't make me so sick to my stomach. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:18 PM:
" wow and another fan jumps the fence in right field. chuck we need the umps out there to keep the uninformed from the field... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:17 PM:
" The tribune can't get info due to the fact that they hire reporters on image and not skill. "
andy k wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:15 PM:
" It's starting to resemble a trailer park in here. ic2020 and dismantled appear to have adjoining double-wides. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:15 PM:
" allegedly...and keep up the personal info "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:13 PM:
" not libel. look up the definition. She herself stated she had a baby and that it died. That my dear is fact. So where does the libel come into play? If that is libel, arrest us all including the Tribune. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:09 PM:
" If you work weekends in a retail situation, plus all wk, you will do fine getting your 65 in. Too bad its salary, huh? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:08 PM:
" Hmm...that may be libel.
Also, i need to find a 65 hour a week job that gets me home by 5. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:02 PM:
" hey dismantled.. NEWS ALERT. She DOES have a child and its dead. Still Confused? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:01 PM:
" Now that you mention it... you must be the expert not only on childbirth, but rudeness. Takes one to know one, they say. Just re read your comments to me and you statement about the "grand canyon... wakka wakka..." or does that not qualify as RUDE... ? PS, I am sitting on my screen-porch, does that qualify as outside? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:59 PM:
" Well she has no child, so I guess claming to be a real mother would be a false statement. Or is that an IF=THAN statement? So confused.... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:57 PM:
" P.S. Capital words are yelling. And as we all know yelling is rude. Unless you are outside. Are you outside? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:57 PM:
" If Indra falls into the category of "fake Moms", then yes, I chose my wording appropriately! "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:55 PM:
" As opposed to "fake moms". Way to choose your words.... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:51 PM:
" Keep up the discussions on here. It will only show that there is not a jury pool to be found in the area. This means that it will cost a ton of money to move this possible trial. Money that the city does not have. The odds of this going to trial are 6-1 at best. It will settle due to and over zelist prosecutor and over burden court system. You can haul a half ton of smoke thought town that is a threat to multiple districts and individuals and walk. Come on people we have a decade of accidental drownings. What makes you think they will call the right plays here. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:44 PM:
" hate to rain on your parade dismantled but many women do it ALONE... the man is no where to be found. And to think, the labor is actually the easy part. A lot of real mothers also do it ALONE for the rest of the child's life, while the man is "hunting and gathering." Now, I am not saying all men are gone, I am lucky to have an awesome husband who was with me every step of my high risk pregnancies and is an awesome dad. I am just saying, there are women who not only have to go through a pregnancy alone with no support from a mate or family, but they deliver alone, and raise children alone. They are not wild animals killing their own young since they "don't know what else to do!" "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:40 PM:
" just to clarify, yes amom is also right, the doc does push on your stomach to help the placenta out, but back when women had children by theirselves, this did expel on its own. Docs speed up the process. I thought FYI was referring to an actual process that the doctor uses instruments to suction out or scrape out the uterus. I for one always hated the hours after the delivery when the nurse would come in and press on your stomach. This process also helps the uterus return to its orignal pre pregnancy size. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:40 PM:
" really alone. the man must have been hunting and gathering. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:39 PM:
" hey amon have fun with IC. also, never stated i was trying to sound like i was smart. everyone on here tries to put words and thoughts into other peoples typing i guess. "
Amom wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:34 PM:
" dismantled: it's a little late to start trying to sound intelligent and educated. Reread everything you wrote. You are the "weak who scream" as you put it. You have pretty much sounded terrible. To fyi, yes, they push on her stomach to get all of the "afterbirth" out. It is also very painful. I know this because I too, am a mother. By the way, dismantle, I didn't get to sleep until ~42 hours after my 26 hour labor begin and 16 hours after my baby was born. Also, without having any pain relief of any kind. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:33 PM:
" No FYI, a woman does not need to get "cleaned out" after giving birth. I have heard of women needing to get a D&C after giving birth or having an abortion if part of a placenta or some tissue remains. After a woman gives birth, the doctor sends the placenta and "sac" to a pathologist where it is examined for abnormalities and to make sure it is there in its entirity. People must remember that women have been giving birth for ages and most did it alone. This "mother" was not some poor little soul that suffered and was "all alone". Women do this every day... ALONE! Yet do not let their children die. "
fyi wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:14 PM:
" Maybe this is a dumb question, but i havent seen anyone bring it up, but doesn't a woman need to get 'cleaned-out' so to speak after having a child..otherwise there is risk for infection and possible death? So you'd think she would have had to have some medical care afterwards.... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:10 PM:
" Everyone keeping an open mind through this I commend. If todays discussion got a little dirty and muck raking I am slightly ashamed. As an individual involved in and around this unfortunate situation I will not apologize for my tactics. For long enough I have watch the attack dogs on this site rip and demolish those that are reported as evil to morale shreds. If things got semi-personal I apologize to those offended. It is a heated topic and I promise I will not bow or bend to one sided close minded opinions. Thats the way it goes on this site. The weak scream and the intelligent bow outpeace. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:46 PM:
" If you want class read the New Yorker. With all due respect. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:44 PM:
" Nope. Look at political ads if you want to win. "
jlgloede wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:39 PM:
" looks to me like Dismantled as tons of growing up to do. He speaks of personal attacks on a murderer and he resorts to the type of messages he has left? This is not about if one person has had to many children or if she is "gapped". Most obviously her children are still alive, which does say something for her. He is obviously lacking in education for the type of opinions he is leaving. His comments to ic have nothing to do with this story. Kinda pathetic. "
nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:33 PM:
" I always hold out hope that some day these threads will be open for true intellectual debate or discussion but I have yet to find it. Name calling and personal attacks on people who most likely know absolutely nothing about each other is really not what most people are looking for. Kind of reminds me of that article not to long ago on the "CB trash talk". Is it any higher class if it happens here? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:30 PM:
" As you all elaborated so well it was a hidden pregnacy. How could one help when one does not know? Huddle up and get an attack together. It is cute to see the Hyenas get together, especially Ed from Lion King. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:26 PM:
" Gapped like the grand canyon....wakka wakka wakka. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:23 PM:
" Hell IC by the fourth one it probaly just fell out...go china one kid is enough. Way to waste the food supply. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:23 PM:
" Dismantled.. I am not the one who said anything about you being at work or not... I think that was you attacking me. You need to read before you type! I really am done this time... lol. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:22 PM:
" Dismantled - are you a man? I can tell. Or else a woman with no kids. Cause after delivering a baby, a woman is so pumped on adrenaline it really doesn't hit her for awhile. As for "Or, maybe you pass out from delivering an f'ing baby by yourself." That was her choice. There are two wonderful hospitals a few blocks from her. I don't feel one bit sorry for her, delivering her baby on her own. That's what hospitals are for. But, right...that's INTENT...she didn't want help. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:20 PM:
" THANK YOU JW... THANK YOU!! That is the best point of all... "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:19 PM:
" guess what demantled... I have had four kids, all premature, and sure I slept after they were born IN THE HOSPITAL, and after I FED them gavage (which by the way takes a lot of time and attention)and after I made sure they were OK. The first labor was 32 hours and I didn't sleep until 28 hours after it since I was so euphoric about having a child! Oh, by the way, mine was painful, since there was no epidural for me being their heart rates were erratic and it would have been too dangerous. Any amount of pain is nothing for a true mom. Hey, how many have you given birth to expert? ok I am done playing with you now. Enjoy your day. "
JW wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:18 PM:
" HEY DISMANTLED... IF YOU KNEW THIS GIRL SO WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU HELP TAKE CARE OF THE BABY INSTEAD OF LETTING IT DIE? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:17 PM:
" No wonder you work 65 hours a week IC. You spend enough time on here to take up a part time job.
In regards to my employment, it is my day off. Next time I can clear it with you. I'm not the one who said they were at work. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:13 PM:
" The question in regards to relationship to Indra is very relevant. Everyone on here has an expert opion. Hell, the reporter cant even get facts straight. Can site a few examples if you really want.
Well of course you take a nap after delivering a child. Or, maybe you pass out from delivering an f'ing baby by yourself. Are you kidding me. There is no pain and trauma associated with that. It definitely wouldn't wear you out. The amount of bloodlust that is in your viens is just wow "
PEACHTREE wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:13 PM:
" I hope her family feels guilty about this too! "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:11 PM:
" No.. I don't think they ever said who the father is. They say her boyfriend at the time all this happened was not the father and that she had cheated on him and gotten pregnant and when he found out he was upset and ended the relationship. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:09 PM:
" that was to dismantled.. Twilite snuck a blog in there and Twilite.. I agree with you 100%! "
PEACHTREE wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:08 PM:
" Who is the father of this baby??????????????
Is it that Keith guy??? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:06 PM:
" Nice personal attack but since I work 65 hours a wk, as a general manager, salary paid, I will just assume your attack was directed towards someone else. Now who is seeking attention?? "
Twilite wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:05 PM:
" haha...surprise surprise. I would have guessed that you know her. Everyone that knows her says she's innocent. That's called denial. Of course no one ever believes that anyone they know could be a murderer. You just never know though, do you. Good for you, you have a job. Why aren't you there? Or doing something more productive like sleeping since you work so much? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:00 PM:
" Three things here. Work 50-60 hours a week in a tax based job, do in fact know the person, and thanks for coming in from left field. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:59 PM:
" part 2
She did nothing but took a nap. It makes me sick. Now I am glad the Tribune is reporting on the story. It is doing its job, keeping us updated on developments and the fact that her attorney is challenging the charges are developments being that it states his theory as to why they are inappropriate. Now... who knows Indra on here? Probably no one, well I think Mack does but there is your answer, happy? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:59 PM:
" ok.. here we go dismantled. The point I tried to make with a question is why does it matter who knows Indra? This is a person who hid a pregnancy, a birth, and a death. I know first hand that you do not go an entire pregnancy without knowing about it and surprise... I just gave birth! Knowing that not feeding a child will cause death IS intent. If my child will not eat, or I know something is wrong, I get help. HELP... I YELL IT FROM THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, I DIAL 911, I KNOCK ON A NEIGHBORS DOOR.. I GET HELP. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:58 PM:
" However, dismantled, most of us would rather be bored at work than suck up the unemployment funds. Is that what you do? I don't know this chick and I don't want to, both questions answered. But I could take a wild stab at who does know her. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:48 PM:
" So, are you screwing your clients or employer out of the money they are paying you while you are bored? Because, your productivity is in the hole while you are accomplishing this... "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:46 PM:
" It's kinda sad how people like you try to take a broad discussion and try to bring the attention to yourself. A question was asked and instead of either answering it or staying quiet you decided to go with another path. Draw attention to yourself by asking a "hard edge" omfg question. Really? Is that what a discussion board is all about? Let me be the biggest, loudest, most attention getting person on here. Sad. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:43 PM:
" LOL... GOT MY HUGS TODAY BUT AM VERY BORED AT WORK! "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:39 PM:
" Sorry. That wasn't the question. But thanks for putting in your little, "hey i need attention so i'm not going to pay attention to the question response." Ask someone you know to hug you. Because you need it. "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:34 PM:
" Better yet Dismantled, who wants to?? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:43 PM:
" Out of all the comments on here all i want to know is who actually knows Indra? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:33 PM:
" hey dismantled... if you read as well as quickly as you post.. scroll down and you will see I am critisizing Mack for the Joke... some people! "
oopsy daisy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:10 PM:
" Mack,Did you ever stop to think that the reason we are, in your words"hateful",is because we have reproduced,young,unsupported and scared? Never once did it enter my mind to let my baby die. I was 16,my mom told me there were places for "girls like me",my boyfriend of 2 years hung up on me when he got the news .It was 1969,you wanna talk about no where to turn? I am the mother of 4..including the set of twins I gave birth to at 17!!!! Oh yes I breast fed them for 7 mo.I swear I'm still sore from that! Maybe this blog should be left to people that really know something. "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Wow...that just shows the people that are on here. In one breath you mourn a death and then in the next you make a joke? "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:53 PM:
" I must apologize to Mack (even though I hate to), my last blog was meant towards dismantled. I think I was just over heated a bit and couldn't keep straight who I was speaking towards. Maybe if I had a cooler head... right Mack? "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:47 PM:
" La Crosse, over promise and under deliver. How much of the money that the city doesn't have will they spend on this? Also, it has been a month since the story broke and the wonderful Tribune is doing all they can to keep change the timeline of events and details. Keep the circus going.... "
ic2020 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:45 PM:
" Guess what Mack... maybe if one of us more knowledgable people (with cooler heads) had been made aware of this situation (that means she would have had to have been a human being and sought help) we would have been involved and this poor little child would be with a loving family at this moment and poor lil Miss Indra would not be looking at Murder 1!! "
quay wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Here's the situation. The problem is too large for her to solve. She is depressed, she is in denial. She doesn't ask for help. She hopes the problem will just go away. Maybe a miscaraige, that happens all the time, she tells herself. No, maybe still born, that happens all the time as well. The baby is born alive. Now what? What kind of monster has a baby in the bathtub? She needs to sleep and think it over. The upshot? she didn't plan any of this. She hoped it would go away. It's not murder one. This was manslaughter. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Emotional and Legal opinion isnt always the same. 1st degree murder is a long shot for the DA and most likely the high bluff card for a plea deal.You never know what a jury will do though people have been convicted of murder by circumstantial evidence without a body.Remember we just let 2 major drug trafficers who had a truckload of weed off the hook because of the lack of evidence to get a conviction BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! All crime goes to LEGALLY PROVING INTENT to establish the level of severity of the crime.Its not emotionally black and white or cut and dried. "
Mack wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:27 PM:
" Let's hope the hateful people on this blog are not reproducing. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:26 PM:
" Normally I read the whole thread before posting but this time im gonna just say this. Theres alot of emotion with this case and on this blog, but when facts come to law and evidence to intent the sad truth is this Lawyer sounds sharp as a tack and is gonna give Ms Book the defense all deserve to have before conviction or aquittal. I dont think the state has enough for 1st degree murder on this one without a body.All evidence is circumstantial and weak at this point and even the confession could be challenge which is the prosecutions only evidence at this point. Had she clammed up until getting a lawyer she most likely would never had been arrested without it.Im leaving my emotion out of this post and looking at the LEGAL aspects of the case . "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:25 PM:
" How could you be held responsible Queen B? When you try to state a point that differs from the point you are trying to disprove you shouldn't make statements like "should have". That in it self helps to prove the point that the situation could have been improved if people as knowledgeable as you were involved. Also, if you do not know the person directly then you shouldn't make absolute statements such as obvious and secret...unless you know them as proven facts. So, either you know these facts or you are speculating. "
QueenB wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:10 PM:
" dismantled: "The right choice of action" is COMMON SENSE! Here's the situation - the woman got pregnant, didn't seek any medical attention PRIOR TO or AFTER the birth of this child. She kept her pregnancy a SECRET from everyone and had the birth BY HERSELF and let the baby DIE! This woman knew what she was doing - she knew the baby was not going to survive! She called adoption agencies to make it APPEAR that she cared for the child but it is OBVIOUS that this was just to cover up her true intent! She should have taken that baby the 10 blocks to the hospital instead of sticking it in a cooler! That child will probably never be found - we are her/his voice! I will not be held responsible for her cruelty just for being the voice of reason! "
dismantled wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:56 AM:
" It is truely unfortunate that all of these wise people with their great plans of action weren't involved in this girls life. The attacks that happen on this site are absolutely over the top. Must be easy to look back on a situation and offer the right choice of of action while not being involved. "
CJ wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:37 AM:
" So if I choose not to feed my dogs from now on I'm smart enough to know they'd die. The sumbag lawyer and this chick are great examples of those that should not reproduce.... "
Twilite wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:31 AM:
" Nah, her family/friends were only willing to help when she wanted to get out of jail. "
wait..what? wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Ok, she says she didn't go to the hospital because she didn't have insurance.. has she heard of medical assistance? They are set up to help with things like this. Or maybe the safe haven program, where you just give up your baby no questions asked?? Come on, she knew what she was doing.. and where is her mother during all of this? She couldn't ask family members for help?? Seriously! "
oopsy daisy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Good one Mack...Cooler Heads..people who would not put a baby,dead or alive into a cooler...Cooler Heads. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Actually, mack, giving an address of almost any criminal is common practice due to the right of people to know when there is, say, a rapist or MURDERER living next to them. "
nana3 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:55 AM:
" If you go to the website and read the complaint, you won't be anymore enlightened. There are conflicting statements and dates. Apparently Book can't remember the exact date of anything, not even the date she gave birth! She doesn't know if the baby was a boy or a girl? Come on, how can you spend 36-48 hours with a baby and not be sure of the sex?
My opinion, to which everyone is entitled, is that she had the baby and put it into the cooler to keep anyone from hearing it cry. If I am right, there is definitely intent to cause death. She had the cooler, which was purchased prior to the birth. "
Mack wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:55 AM:
" Hopefully cooler heads will prefail -------------------What is wrong with the Tribune? Her address is nobody's business. Get responsible!!!!!!!!!! "
oopsy daisy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:51 AM:
" Hey Vincent...maybe you could give Indra the real break she needs by hiring her as a nanny in your home or as a surrogate mother or she could sell her breast milk on Craigs list! I might stop making my car payments and when they come to repo it I will use Indra's defense that I didn't know what to do and I tried to get someone to pay for it and then I fell asleep...and then I'll get it all taken care of at the tax payers expense...And they all lived happily ever after.THE END "
wait..what? wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:50 AM:
" Pinky: I completly agree. She hid the pregnancy from friends and family, gave birth in a tub by herself. She didn't want this baby, and I think she INTEDED to make sure this baby wasn't going to interupt her life. Did she not INTEND to put the baby's corpse in a cooler and throw it out like garbage?? Come on, she is scum! "
pinky wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:39 AM:
" How can her lawyer say she didn't 'intend' for her baby to die? Where were the clothes for the baby, the crib, etc? Why didn't anyone know there was a baby coming into this world soon? Wasn't she 'intending' to raise this baby?! Where was her 'intent' when she knew something was wrong and the baby was probably going to die and she did nothing? There's 'intent' all over the place, but unfortunately for the defense, it's all against this mother to NOT have a baby in her life. "
tlscao wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:33 AM:
" She knew what she was doing..so she was scared everyone is with their first baby. Difference between Ms. Book and a normal first time mother. A normal first time mother asks for help where as she did not. She should be held completely accountable for her lack of intelligence in this matter...no more slack!!! "
wait..what? wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:52 AM:
" Ok, now I have been following this since the start, and I read the 9 page complaint.. and NO WHERE in there did it say that she tried to call an adoption agency. It said she tried to nurse the baby once and then gave up and took an 8 hour nap. I think she does deserve to go to jail, and should be charged with murder. She knew she was pregnant, she hid it from her friends and family.. and then she hid the dead baby in a cooler. It doesn't sound to me like she wanted or even cared about the baby. "
nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:34 AM:
" Although I agree that Ms. Book should face consequences for not providing medical care for her child, the point that many people are missing is that no one knows for certain what this child died from. She attempted to feed her and it did not work...many new mothers have the same experience with breastfeeding as it is a learned skill. But did she starve within less than a day of being born? Highly unlikely. Most likely this child had other issues that weren't addressed that caused her death. The court is charging her with a crime they cannot prove which will mean Ms. Book will most likely go free. Why wouldn't the courts charge her with something they can prove in order to ensure justice is served? "
brokenlady wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:52 AM:
" I agree with the comments in these posts. If this woman knew to call an adoption agency, why didn't she call 911 when the baby wasn't nursing? Better yet, why didn't she just take the baby to the hospital, safe haven laws, and give the poor thing a fighting chance. If those out amongst the community don't think this is intentional, I disagree. I do agree, that she needs to have a fair trial and be judged by her peers. I feel that the first-degree homicide charges should stand & that her lawyer needs to prove else wise. I think she needs to rot in hell for what she has done!!!!! "
JD5400 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:51 AM:
" I disagree with new world order. Yes, her mistake was not having the baby at a hospital or in a controlled environment where the baby would have proper assistance after birth. Her intent to kill was when she stopped trying to feed or care for the baby, knowing that it would die. What other intent was there. No food, no life. There are thousands of options out there for situations like this, and she made the mistake of not going one of those routes, but make no mistake, she knew the outcome of not feeding or caring for this child, and then tried to cover it up. "
R A wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:51 AM:
" No Excuses! If you have the mental capacity, you are able to rashionalize that if you do not feed a child it will die. And she could have taken the poor baby to any hospital and said I can't care for this child. There are thousands of people who want children so badly. Something defenseless is always the victim. Premeditated murder, No excuses! "
please wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:59 AM:
" Re: New World Order
I see what you are saying. But ask a drunk driver if s/he "meant" to hurt anyone. Of course not. You have to be responsible for your actions whether you meant to cause anyone harm or not. Giving up on a baby, not feeding a baby is intentional. If you are not giving care you are being negligent. So, regardless if she "meant" to kill her baby, she most certainly did; and with many ways and means at her disposal to have ensured that child lived. "
please wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:55 AM:
" I agree, Mom of 1. Talk about getting away with murder. NO ONE who has their first child "knows what to do". You do the best you can by loving, feeding and caring for your baby. If she knew the baby would die if she did not feed her, I just don't see how thats not intent. We always hear how breastfeeding is SO natural, making it sound so easy. It's not. But there ARE alternatives and anyone knows that. Book became frustrated and gave up on her daughter and thats the same as murder.
If she knew enough to call an adoption agency, she damn sure could have called 911. "
new world order wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:54 AM:
" I have said a couple of times before regarding this case that in no way should Ms. Book be charged with first degree intentional homicide. It's too severe. She made a mistake, not a plan to kill. And if I may, I'd also like to add that publishing her current address is no one's business. That's too much information. "
nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:37 AM:
" Regardless of how you feel about this case Ms. Book is still entitled to a fair trial. And it seems that she is entitled to a trial in which a jury of her peers convicts her of murdering her child beyond a reasonable doubt. What are the chances of a jury (unbiased by the Tribune's one sided reporting) convicting a woman with basically no evidence at all? They cannot prove at all what this child passed away from, only speculate that Ms. Book's actions had something to do with it. Remember the case on the Northside of the baby in the shed? Mom couldn't be charged with anything substantial because they couldn't prove that she killed the baby and that case had a body. Now they are charging 1st degree with no evidence? "
MOM OF 1 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:23 AM:
" Oh give me a break!!! "She explained that she did nothing knowing the baby was going to die". If that isn't intent, what is. If my baby was dying, I would rush her to the hospital and do whatever it took to help her. Doing nothing is the cruelest, most inhumane thing to do. This case is making me sick! Commit murder and then plead "I didn't know what I was doing" is flimsy at best. What next? "
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