theblob wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:30 PM:
" To lets not think....just maybe when someone's DRUNK they do dumb things and do NOT use common sense. Try to imagine what its like to be DRUNK, and do something dumb and act without thinking......kind of like walking drunk into moving train on northside, or driving drunk into a fence and Hixon House or lots of other STUPID things DRUNKS DO. You are a drunk ENABLER, keep trying to justify drunks actions. "
letsjustthink wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:06 PM:
" Willie,
None of the topics I touched on even raised an eyebrow from your point of view? "
Willie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:14 AM:
" "Police discovered the underage party after a neighbor called in a noise complaint."...
Why aren't you people ripping on the neighbor?
The cops would have never been there in the first place if the party didn't get out of hand BEFORE the police got there. I wonder how trashed the house was BEFORE the police got there? The police always provide the perfect scapegoat for young people to give to their parents to explain their poor behavior. If I had a dime for every time someone from the public calls and complains about how the police treated their kid. 75% of them change their tune once they find out what really happened. "Oh, they didn't tell me that part!" is a very common response. "
Willie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Letsjustthink, you are so right. A 22-year-old drunk kid know every facet of the law and calculates every action and the consequences of the action. Only the cops, who are sober and trained in the application of the law, could possibly be wrong in their interpretation of the law. Humphrey would not get charged with attempted homicide because it is easier to prove he intended to injure the officer to get away or help others get away. I doubt the intent was to kill him. My statement was merely demonstrating how out of hand these comments get. "
IAmRight wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:12 AM:
" The cops must be lying. We all know drunken teenagers would NEVER lie to the authorities. "
Letsjustthink wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:50 PM:
" Are we all reading the same articles???? Am i missing something here? Run into the house where he knows he will never escape the situation and most definately be caught. Seriously.. i am in awe of the details that were given "according to the police" in these articles. "
Letsjustthink wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:49 PM:
" Yet another question I would like to raise. Why would Sullivan "punch" and then flee into the residence giving them a reason to enter the house. Assuming he was outside that is. If he was outside wouldn't they have already detained him and given him an underage drinking ticket???? So now that he would have a relatively miniscule fine and a few classes he decides ...... well my futures over.. might as well get a felony battery charge to a law enforcement officer and then run into the house. "
Letsjustthink wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:21 PM:
" maggerrella I would like you to elaborate on your post. A person on bail knowing they have a pending charge/s would give the police a reason to enter this house party by committing a felony act?! Is that what your implying? "
Letsjustthink wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:06 PM:
" He must have just decided that ....well he tried to kill me... just give him battery I guess.. Just doesn't add up to me. Makes me wonder... Why would an officer that just had a near death experience let this potential killer off the hook with a mere battery charge. Smells fishy. Maybe the unbias, reliable information we the public have before us isn't the entire story... maybe.... just maybe "
Letsjustthink wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:04 PM:
" Willie wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:17 AM:
" Humphrey is lucky he isn't facing attempted homicide charges. What if his drunken choke hold was successful? "
Here is my question to you Willie and the other bloggers that seem to be so interested in this matter. If this did happen; that being that Humphrey allegedly jumped on an officers back and then put him in a headlock, why isn't he being charged with attempted homicide? Clearly you can kill someone by choking them out. If that happened.... my question is why isn't he being charged? If I was an officer and a person just attempted to kill me you can bet the first charge I would have written down would have been attempted homicide. This is the most generous, compassionate, forgiving police officer in the entire country. "
maggerralla wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:56 PM:
" I'm just wondering one thing. It's been mentioned by many that have replied here, that there is more to the story that we know. That there's a reason that Humphrey jumped on the Cop's back.
In this story it says that he was charged for misdemeanor Bail jumper. So I would take that to mean, he was previously out on bail for something right?? I would guess there is more to the story, and that the Cop's did not act in the wrong here.
And 10 is a party, and any age under 21 is Under-aged drinking. Which is illegal. "
TracyLynn wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:14 PM:
" Actually I would love to prove your theory there amused however I graduated top of my class and went on to nursing in college,also graduated top of my class.So your theory is shot in the hiney there.
Another point to make is that he was arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.He received an apology letter and an out of court settlement,and I received my bond money back.So things do happen to the wrong people.Look at the recent incident of the officer who assaulted a teen in Oshkosh!..Wake up just because they have a badge doesnt mean they do no wrong.However not all of them are bad either! "
amused wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:00 PM:
" Tracylynn.....BULLSHIT!!!!!!!! SPARTA IS FULL OF DUMBASSES LIKE YOU!!!! "
theblob wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:41 PM:
" Wow, 173 blog comments over drunken idiots acting like the drunks they are. I wonder why. "
County resident wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:24 AM:
" And why isn't this mom (home owner) being charged with something? "
Twilite wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:06 AM:
" Tracylynn: what did your innocent friend do to get arrested in the first place? i.e. - why were the cops there? And I'm sure the cops have heard it all, they're not gonna trust that he actually has some weird thing wrong where he can't lay on his stomach... "
Willie wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:17 AM:
" Humphrey is lucky he isn't facing attempted homicide charges. What if his drunken choke hold was successful? "
The Shining wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:31 PM:
" Must be yet another criminal who enjoys cop bashing. It's a real simple thing people, you jump a cop and you may end up getting hurt. Follow the rules and act like an adult and nothing will happen. For many of you that is too difficult for your simple minds to comprehend "
Tracylynn wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:12 PM:
" I happen to know that the cops in this area(a few of them) do use excessive force.There was a gentleman who frequently visted my neighbors whom i got to know,he had several surgeries and had meshing inside of his stomach he COULDN'T medically lay on or it would cause extensive damage.Well he ended up being carnal damage the night something happened while he was at my neighbors.Officers were told on NUMEROUS occasions he couldnt medically get down onto his stomach.And I myself explained to them he could not and why and they tasered him for refusing to go down and I ended up bonding him out for $500 and he got resisting arrest(FOR DOING NOTHING)..so yes they do use excessive force or just dont give a rats hind end because they have a badge.But when a lawsuit comes a knocking they sure change their tune! "
ryeguy wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:59 PM:
" I don't know what really happened, but I can guess. But when it comes to arresting someone there is a rule to keep in mind: cops get to win any fight. If you take off during an arrest, they get to chase you, tackle you, subdue you and cuff you. If you jump on a cop's back and choke him, he gets to beat the holy crap out of you until you stop. Of course when you are drunk, high, or scared of the prison time from the illegals in the top drawer, it is hard to stay calm and cool. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:19 PM:
" PALADIN...that has to be the most stupid comment I have read in here. You honestly believe cops only get attacked when they provoke it. You need to get a reality check. As dumb as the show is, have you ever watched cops? How many times in that show has a cop been trying to calm a situation and they get jumped? more times then any of us can count. "
beerman wrote on Aug 28, 2008 7:23 PM:
" Come on people give it a rest. "
stude wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:56 PM:
" Darwinism: "This mom is very lucky she isn't cleaning up blood and making funeral arrangements" I have to agree....these kids must have been drunk in school because last time I checked the police walk around with guns all the time.... what balls someone has to fight with police, they must have a death wish. I am glad the police did not have to shoot anyone.... although it would
have then made this news story worthy of been wrote. "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:50 PM:
" Sparta, you did make my original point of shifting the blame. Let's not look at these kids/adults behaviors. Rather let's blame a stupid law about a drinking age of 21 that has been THE LAW in WI since before these kids/adults were even born. Let's blame the government for war (which they are not serving in) which is comprised of a 100% voluntary military. Choices: join the military, you may go to a far away land and die, drink before the law says you can, cops will confront you and hold you accountable. "
CJ wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:50 PM:
" Where's OnaRes to comment on the gun-drug case in his backyard only 3 comments there??? That's right the Trib hides some articles would hate to damage the reputation of thos towns. Before anyone goes tearing down other cities try and fix your first. "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:44 PM:
" girlfriend, first of all I don't think its your place to determine what is discussed in this forum.
2nd several people in earlier post thought they should send this bunch into the armed forces and teach them some manners. "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:41 PM:
" girlfriend: "as soon as the kid jumped the cop outside the cop had the right to go inside. case closed." Not only that, but as soon as he jumped on the cop's back they were justified to taser him OR shoot him. Read breaking news article from Wausua, WI today. A man THREATENED a cop with a knife and was shot then tased when the bullet wasn't effective enough. Joe Smith ATTEMPTED to stab a La Crosse cop and was shot twice. This mom is very lucky she isn't cleaning up blood and making funeral arrangements. Simple, attack a cop expect to be dead. "
girlfriend wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:20 PM:
" " Let me get this straight.....at the age of 18 you are old enough to go fight for our country, shoot a gun and so on, but are not mature enough to drink? "
Oh for Chr*st sake Sparta! this isn't the place to get into that argument. the law is the law. they broke the law. as soon as the kid jumped the cop outside the cop had the right to go inside. case closed. "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:17 PM:
" Obviously not in this case, that was the point. Have a drinkie drinkie, jump on the back of a cop and try to put him in a head lock. Nope, not mature enough for that KID. "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:49 PM:
" Let me get this straight.....at the age of 18 you are old enough to go fight for our country, shoot a gun and so on, but are not mature enough to drink? "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:37 PM:
" This is another classic example of what's going wrong in our society. Shifting the blame. These "kids" broke multiple laws then engaged in violence against those we count on to protect us from law violators. Then parent's blame everyone but where the blame belongs, on their off-springs behavior. It's the cops, teachers, school bus driver, social workers fault that little Johnny is always in trouble. Wake up, little Johnny is becoming a sociopath with your on going assistance. "
Darwinism wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:31 PM:
" Provoked? Sure they were. They were breaking the law by drinking alcohol when the law says they are not mature enough to do so. They were breaking the law by being loud enough for neighbors to call law enforcement officials regarding the disturbance. Here comes the provocation: Police arrive and attempt to hold them accountable for their illegal behaviors. That's all they needed to engage in further lawlessness. If the mom truely hosted the party and not somewhere camping, she should be charged for criminal behavior as well. "
stude wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:04 PM:
" "Mom says police used way too much force in drinking party bust"
It looks like the cops didn't use enough force, if someone attacked me I would have made sure to send them to the hospital.
I feel sorry for the police officers involved and appreciate their sacrafice of getting hurt to make sure losers are off the street.
It would appear the mom is just attempting to get press to save her daycare business she runs from the house. I wonder if there are any openings...looks like she is a good role model "
ML wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:45 PM:
" Again, La Crosse Tribune: explain to us how any of this is newsworthy! Oh, that's right, you can't- you're too busy fielding calls from angry subscribers who never receive their paper on time. And you wonder WHY the stupid newspaper industry is dying? Absolutely useless "stories" like this one. "
waz wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:21 PM:
" I just can't believe people think nobody would attack a police officer unless provoked. Open your eyes people. These people have a lot to lose by getting caught. As you read one was already out on bond from another criminal charge that had been filed against him. I was a police officer for a long time, and believe me, people will attack the police for no reason other than they think they may be able to get away if they do.
By saying people would not do that unless provoked would be like saying people never run from the police, shoot another person, rob a gas station unless provoked. Wake up and smell the coffee people you have a bunch of spoiled brats that need to go to jail/prison here. "
Edweird wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:09 PM:
" COPS is about the men and women of law enforcement who dedicate themselves to keeping our streets safe. The show follows real police officers from departments across America as they respond to a wide range of calls, from domestic disturbances, armed robbery and homicide. "
The Real Paladin wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:03 PM:
" There must be more to the story than we've been let in on. People generally don't jump on cops unless the cop has done or said something to provoke the situation. "
Edweird wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:01 PM:
" Bad boys,bad boys whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do?
When they come for you?Bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
When you were eight and you had bad dreams you go to school
And that's the golden rule,So why are you acting like a bloody fool
If you get hot then you must get cool!
Bad boys,bad boys whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do?
When they come for you?Bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when they come for you? "
WAZ wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:58 PM:
" First lets look at weather the police could enter the house. The answer is yes. There is case law from the Maryland which allows police to enter a residence without a warrant under exegent circumstances for underage drinking. Further the police were attacked outside the house and one of the peson ran into the house. This is now a fleeing felon which police in hot pusuit do not need a warrant. If any person tries to block the police by closing a door then damage to the door should be expected and reasonable force by the police. No tripping and falling into an office is not assault and battery. Battery is the causing of physical harm to another by an intentional act without the persons consent. Before we question what is right and wrong try and research the facts and laws. "
MidwestAtheist wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM:
" I'm sorry, but if a police officer comes to your house, and you punch him while a friend jumps on his back, putting him in a headlock, you're lucky if you do not get shot. A police officer does not know what kind of situation he/she is entering when they open a door. Their lives are constantly in potential danger, and they have to protect themselves. If you attack an officer while they are doing their job, you deserve what you get. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:27 PM:
" Precarious....that is too funny. Now your BRF comment makes sense. But no I am not an Indian, better explain that or I will get attacked, I do not have a problem with indians, I am just not of that decent. My name refers to Resident of Onalaska.
HOME...However you feel you can prove you are the wiser one go ahead. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:20 PM:
" your right I do not care about the few that get offended because we use the word god in school. I do not care about the people who get offended because somebody says something that's not politically correct. In my profession I cannot afford to be worried about peoples feelings. As I said it is terrible that a few dictate the majority. I guess by your comments that you are one of the thinned skinned I refered to. "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:16 PM:
" OnaRes No I never said I thought you were in prison. First and formost you can't use computers over the internet in prison. I do agree with the majority about your comments being offensive. I don't care how someone grew up or what kind of life they had as a child. If someone chooses to do something wrong they will. End of story! I think you are most likely living on a Reservation and that is where you get your name. Excuse me if this is not the case. "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:12 PM:
" OnaRes
wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:43 PM:
" HOMER, I have told you before anytime you want to find out who really is smarter name it. As I have previously stated those who attack the spelling of others lack the knowledge to support a good argument of their own. "
maybe i'm taking that out of context. don't tell me you really wanted to find out. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:10 PM:
" HOMER...when have I ever said that I am smarter then anybody else? You all have made those comments because of something I have said. Then I may return with a sarcastic comment to what was said. I do not recall ever saying that I am smarter then anybody else. Possible something I said was taken out of context. "
have aheart wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:10 PM:
" I thought this was to comment on the stories not to fight back and forth with each other getting old!!!!!!!!! "
Edweird wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:09 PM:
" It sure is fun to get people tweeked up. "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:08 PM:
" i do not think you 'give a crap' about other peoples feelings. THAT is what's wrong with certain people in this country. Words can be just as hurtful as anything. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:06 PM:
" precarious....not sure about your reference to BRF, if you mean I am in prison, think what you want, I have never been arrested. Not sure how I would know about how unfair authority can be. "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:05 PM:
" he was also a native german speaker. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:02 PM:
" Do you really think I give a crap about somebodies sensative feelings.......how many people in here do you think I am going to offend with using peanut gallery? That is the problem with this country, we all have to walk around being careful not to offend someone sensitive feelings. If you are that thinned skinned that you cannot get over something without crying then you need to toughen up. It is a cruel world. To many in the minority are dictating what the majority does.
As far as my spelling, like I said do not care, but if you must know, my typing skills are below average and I do not always take the time to proof read. So now attack me for that. "
wheredoyougetoff? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:57 PM:
" homer...Einstein was a bad speller. "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:56 PM:
" OnaRes I am speaking of the fact that Michael and his wife are educated and very good parents. They could not contol thier daughters behavior only she could. I take it you are in BRF on a res. I would think you of all people would understand how unfair people in authority can be! "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:53 PM:
" ONARES - i just find it funny that you talk about how smart you are all the time, yet you can't spell. spelling and smarts go hand in hand. it's a thought process that you obviously lack. a misspelled word here or there does not bother me. you consistenly misspell common words then talk about how smart and educated you are. how do you expect me (or anyone) to take you seriously when you can't even spell simple words?
also, you keep talking about the peanut gallery. some might find that offensive, considering it was a term often used during the jim crowe era and in the segregated states. but you probably knew that :) "
cataractjack wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:52 PM:
" kids are a reflection of their parents, kids losers odds are parents are loser, end of story
spoil or let your kids run wild at an early age it is not the kids fault when he/she ends up in jail, you take a belt to a kid at an eary age- teach them please and thank you at an early age- they will turn out to be good kids and adults-I turned out great and can show you my belt marks- "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:52 PM:
" I think precious1976 was implying that even educated parents have kids that act out. Meaning all the education & best parenting in the world does not and can not make a perfect child. Many Halos are still glowing I see. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:45 PM:
" Being a lawyer and a judge does not necessarily mean they are good parents. "
stubby wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:45 PM:
" precious1976....I think you just stepped over the line. "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:44 PM:
" I guess so Bob! That must be the opinion of a lot of the writers on here. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:43 PM:
" HOMER, I have told you before anytime you want to find out who really is smarter name it. As I have previously stated those who attack the spelling of others lack the knowledge to support a good argument of their own. "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:43 PM:
" precious1976, You must beat them at least 3 times a day! "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:35 PM:
" I also have some information for those of you who think it is easy to control your children after a certin age. Our own Michael J. McAlpine (One of the judges who was also a very good lawer) happens to have a daughter who made a bomb threat to the school about 16 years ago and she robbed Denny's Market. Now you tell me something. Is is parenting skills that caused that or the kid? "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:34 PM:
" come on now, cj. onares is full of wisdom! i actually look forward to her posts. every day, every article, she makes enemies. she swears. she calls people homo. she can't spell. she loves to talk about how educated she is. then she wants us all to buy her miller lite! "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:25 PM:
" Sparta, "Qui tacet consentit" "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:22 PM:
" I am not saying it is right for the kids to not obey the law but honestly how any of us drank before they were 21? What I am saying is the officers in THIS town need to learn control over themselves. I think the officers involved should be suspended until the "investigation" is over. That in itself is a joke in this town!!! "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:21 PM:
" CJ.....What facts you looking for, you want to know how much money I make? That is none of your F'ing business. You want to know where I have lived, again none of your F'ing business. I will tell you I graduated from College in 1995, so if you wish to continue talking from the peanut gallery go ahead. I guess, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your shortcomings, you can continue to attack me. "
sillyme wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:18 PM:
" I can not believe how peopel can post such disrespectful comments about the police of Sparta. I have been to Sparta many times with NO bad experiences. I even had an officer stop to ask if I needed any help when walking with my 2 young children. I was greatful for his help! The young immature partiers are at fault! The mother seems to think that underaged drinking is OK. I like to know how many other incidents happened in the past that were someone's else fault and not her son's. Johna should be facing charges because she seemed to be aware of the fact that someone visitors to her home were under 21 and were going to be supplied w/alcohol or other substances. Why else should the kids get so worried about the police arriving? "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:15 PM:
" Bob what do my kids have to do you with passing judgment on people you don't even know!?
You are very opinionated for someone who does not want to publish his own identity after making rude comments and passing judgment on someone you don't even know. "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:09 PM:
" Once again, perhaps you should read articles. The home owners did not assault any one, they weren't even home. I am not defending the kids, I am saying why look the parents up and say they don't pay their bills. Looks like most of those were as it says "paid in full". Lets say most of us make mistakes, but judging from the halos I see glowing on most of you posting, you have never made a mistake in your life? "
fishingpro wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:07 PM:
" Good Cops are in Ettrick Wisconsin. I saw a fight break out at a bar there about 6 months ago and the cops were pretty much in the middle of the punches. I saw an officer put someone in handcuffs just to settle them down and talk to them and someone jumped on the cops back to defend their friends. The cop flipped the guy to the ground and basically laughed at him. I couldn't believe that after all the punches thrown and cops getting hit they settled everyone down and made peace and then left with arresting no one. Everyone in the fight were friends after that. Some small town cops still know that after everything is said and done they still have to live in the small town with these people. That is a better way to get respect from the community if you ask me. "
CJ wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:06 PM:
" I once knew a girl name Ona funny how OnaRes reminds me a lot of Rickey lots of hot air and no facts. Getting in the most of your computer time are you little guy before school starts :) All towns have good and bad but wow is this article drawing in all kinds of thoughts. "
Edweird wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:06 PM:
" Really, what a bunch of liberals defending the criminals....and parents. What has parenting come to, buying booze for underage kids, wow what an example to set. You should be so proud of yourselves. I bet you have really good jobs, college degrees and are respected in the community. "
The Shining wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:00 PM:
" Anyone who defends the dysfunctional thugs who attacked the police officers is probably a criminal themselves. Grow up. You're as immature as the person who wants to file a complaint on the officers. "
wheredoyougetoff? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:56 PM:
" Bob...What is your full name? Let's take a look at you!
You people act like these cops were just walking up to the house and got attacked. That is not the case. No doubt, the guys got out of control. But it was a provoked out of control. I know that's hard for alot of you to here. Because we all know that cops NEVER EVER do anything wrong. The police were not happy when they were advised that they could not enter the premise without a search warrant. They escalated it from there. Yes, intoxicated kids (or rather intoxicated 19-20 year olds), that is illegal. They made some very bad decisions and will face charges for assault and underage. BUT..The Cops have no excuse for their bad decisions, They were solber. At least I think they were. "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:55 PM:
" Sparta...My guess is youre just another apathetic liberal parent that lets their kids get away with whatever and blames everyone else when they get in trouble! "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:53 PM:
" Look it up yourself..
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/simpleCaseSearch.xsl;jsessionid=0906D2FC70324CA628B08026DC3A6ED0.render5? "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:43 PM:
" Bob, I am wondering if you know Dale?
Perhaps you should publish your name so we can all look you up and make ridiculous statements about you with out knowing you as well. "
Willie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:40 PM:
" Scenario summary:
Kids have underage drinking party, make too much noise, cops get called, kids hate cops generally due to prior police contact, kids think they are being harassed (even though they broke the law), kids attack cops, cops react accordingly, stuff gets broken (maybe some of it before cops came?), kids have some explaining to do to parents, blame it all on cops, now mom mad at cops? Tsk, tsk. (head shaking). Pathetic. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:38 PM:
" WOW...I would not even step to those lows...That comment is way out there. You know SCONNI I drink ML. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:36 PM:
" Bob, you hit it on the head! "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:33 PM:
" Here's a word of advise if you are in Sparta..
DO NOT BEND OVER! Anywhere or anytime! "
Willie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:32 PM:
" Simmerkitty, Good point, however I highly doubt people of a caliber cowardly enough to attack a cop over a drinking ticket are brave enough to join any military service. If they were, they would have already joined and wouldn't be hanging around boozing and disturbing the peace of their neighbors. "
antieverything wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:29 PM:
" Now here is my take after reading all opinions and trying to be fair. Cops are called, cops answer call to drinking young people. Young people feel thier rights are violated, dont act resposibly and physically assault officers. Officer while subduing suspects cause damage. So sad Johhna... you are a huge part of the problem. You acknowlege underage drinking party with somewhat shady people... you better change you thinking or your kids are in trouble for the rest of their lives "
Seriously? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:29 PM:
" Free_Speech, that was a very thoughtless statement. When was the last time Sparta had a big drug problem like the drug ring that Tomah was in the middle of? Or the recent Onalaska fiasco? "
stubby wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:27 PM:
" free_speech.............get a life you moron! "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Looks like Dale has money for booze but not his bills, deadbeat loser! Check this out on the Wisconsin Court Access Web..... "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Wow, free_speech...that may be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. Sparta pales in comparrison to the drug and gang activity to, say, La Crosse..where you are probably from. OnaRes, you're off the hook. I'll get you that beer. "
free_speech wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:20 PM:
" Sparta is a drug infested cesspool populated by wannabe gangster wiggers. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:14 PM:
" Well said, Josie. In Sparta these days, it seems you are guilty until proven innocent. "
Josie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM:
" I wish you posters would stop ripping on the residents of Sparta. As with every city, there are good and bad.
Before passing judgement on these young men, we need to wait until all the facts are out. Innocent until proven guilty. I sure wouldn't want most of the posters on here on any jury.
I don't necessarily believe everything that police officers say either, especially in Sparta. They aren't always above the law as has been referenced here with the cop speeding and causing an accident, looking at his computer. And, I am sure you all remember the cop that was stealing from people he pulled over. They are police officers, not saints. "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:03 PM:
" http://www.spartanewspapers.com/headlines.html
Read the above article:
Johna Hesselberg, however, said she plans to file a complaint against the officers involved in the incident.
"We're not condoning the kids drinking here, but we are upset about the excessive force used to get people out of the house," she said. "
hardworker wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:58 PM:
" What is wrong with this mother!!!!! If I read this right, she knew that people younger than the legal drinking age were going to be there!!!! So, that is the time to go away.
It seems to me that she is the one that should have charges brought against her. It all sounds like someone trying to get money for nothing!=!= "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:46 PM:
" Perfectly said precious1976...all in good time that day will come. "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:43 PM:
" And clearly nothing will ever stop underage drinking. With the point that these cops don't have control over situations whether they're on or off duty. The cops should have some respect for people and property. And before it gets said...yes the guys that beat up the cops need to have respect too. They sat in jail over this situation I'm assuming, but what will happen to the police, need we wait until someone gets killed before something is done with their recklessness? "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:39 PM:
" SPARTA....Enlighten Us. "
sparta wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:37 PM:
" First of all, I doubt most of you even know the whole story or had read the articles completely. Second, there are scum and dirt bags is every city and a pretty good chance those of you commenting do not know any Sparta residence, you once again, are going on what you read.
Perhaps you should know all the details before commenting about someones parenting skills especially since you obviously don't know the parents.
Get the facts before commenting or passing judgment!!! "
precious1976 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:34 PM:
" I can honestly say it doesn't make me feel safe to live in Sparta. This isn't the first time I have heard about the conduct of officers in town. It seems that the only time it is reported by the News is when something bad happens to the officers not the people they hurt! I am upset that the News only reports what happens to them. When did Sparta become so over populated that we need brute force to handle a drining party. I remember when I was about 12 my next door neighbors had a drinking party and the officers called the homes of the parents to have them come pick up thier kids. I don't think the officers Sparta has were trained right and the people in the community need to speek up or before you know it someone will end up getting shot by the officers!!! "
stubby wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:29 PM:
" To all:
Bobby has been a beloved citizen of Sparta his entire life. Yes, there are days when you would wonder what color the sky was where he was apparantly coming from, but what does this incident have to do with the other. How Bobby even got brought into this article is beyond me. He is a great person, and will probably never ride his bike around town again. Leave him out of your rediculous comments about the Sparta Police. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:28 PM:
" CJ....If you must know, no I am not new to the area, have lived in this area a majority of my life. As far as my wages, not that it is any of your f*^#ing bussiness, but I make a substantial amount above minimum, but hey thanks for speaking from the peanut gallery. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:19 PM:
" Warren24, you can't control what other people do. Bob turned his bike in the car...the fact it was an off duty cop should have nothing to do with it. As for the more recent incident, I cannot say if the attack was provoked...but you can't attack an officer, provoked or not. "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Very true there is only one way to get more experience. But handing someone a gun and badge doesn't make them God. And clearly these cops don't handle situations correcly or they wouldn't have gotten sent to the hospital. "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:08 PM:
" It is unfortunate...that an off duty cop doesn't see someone riding down the road...during the day...hhmmm. Either way, the cops are pretty much the out of control party in sparta!! "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:04 PM:
" Forgot to ask...how do they more experienced? Only one way to do that. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:02 PM:
" Warren24, peds in crosswalks do...but from what was reported he was riding down the road. Anyone who knows Bob could tell you he wasn't/isn't exactly always aware of his surroundings while riding his bike. It is unfortunate, nonetheless. "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:59 AM:
" Sconni Fan...sorry aren't cops trained to have control of their surroundings at all times? But hey they probably ran a drug check on the biker before the ambulance got there because it was the bikers fault right? I thought pedestrians always had the right away. And had it not been a cop someone else would have probably been in jail for it. Point being...these so called cops clearly need more experience. I feel they are taking things to the extreme and they cause the out of control. "
CJ wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:58 AM:
" OnaRes so where are you from that you are above all anyhow? The bad thing is any town normally makes the news for the Minority of dirtbags etc. but since you know so much do continue to enlighten us. My guess you make minimal $'s and are new to the area. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:57 AM:
" Dutchboy.....not sure how that relates.....guess you need to jog my memory. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:56 AM:
" HOMER....Free beer is the best beer!!!! "
DutchBoy wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:55 AM:
" The Sparta police must have thought for a second that they were working in Onalaska! "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:55 AM:
" there you go trying to get free beer again! "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:51 AM:
" SCONNI...take what I said however you want.......If you compare sparta to the BRF prison......who has more "dirtbags"? Remeber my comment about taking what is said at face value and not reading between the lines?
By the way you still owe me A beer next time I see you. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:50 AM:
" JC...i believe it stated it in an earlier article. "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM:
" you are right, bob. if robocop can clean up detroit (it's a jungle out there, man - my favorite line in the movie), he could certainly clean up sparta. i don't know that sparta needs to be cleaned up, but if it does, robocop is here to protect and serve. "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:46 AM:
" They should have sent in Robo-cop and waisted them all! "
jc wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:45 AM:
" Whoever said this started outside "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:44 AM:
" OnaRes...you compared Sparta, as a whole, to the prison in BRF. "
homer wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:41 AM:
" ona res - i see you're hard at work again. why is it that everyday i see you on here bickering with these fine people? it's apparent you have trouble in social settings (even CYBER social settings). healthy debate is good. personal attacks and generalizations are bad. i thought i'd put that in plain english for you. and why do you think anyone will buy you a beer? you asked me to, and it made me throw up in my nouth a little. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:40 AM:
" Ok SCONNI....What is the population of the prison in BRF? What is the population of Sparta? If those two numbers are relatively close, you got me......If not, then I still have not said that the entire city of sparta is "dirtbags" as you like to put it. Matter of fact I know that is not true, because I have a few friends who live in Sparta. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:39 AM:
" Warren24...with all due respect, the bicyclist turned into the OFF DUTY cop. Why it had to be reported he was an off duty cop is beyond me. "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:38 AM:
" Glad to hear he's still ok I guess. Lesson to learn here...stay off the streets in Sparta too...cops don't have to watch for people even if they're off duty. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:36 AM:
" JC.... Once that officer was assaulted and the suspect went into the house, they no longer need a warrant to enter the home. If you read the posting by TRUTH HURTS written at 10:17a.m. It explains that in a more legal way. No error to admit to, you just did not understand, no big deal. Hope you understand now. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:36 AM:
" OnaRes...you also stated: "Oh come on nelly, sparta is not that bad...........if you compare it to to the prison in BRF"...speaks for itself "
jc wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 AM:
" Bicycle Bob is still recovering...
That cop is getting quite a track record for accidents.. WOW "
jc wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:30 AM:
" I dont believe an officer has the right
to enter a home if the other party doesnt allow them to.. Dont ya need a search warrant for that to enter the premises...
I could be wrong here and if so fine no problem ill admit my comments were in error...
Thats all i was trying to say and from what i heard (hearsay again) that how this mess started.. I mean nothings been charged why the delay, I know still could be sorting stuff out but my assumption shouldnt have taken this long, or maybe it does "
Warren24 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:29 AM:
" Did any of the cops involved happen to be the ones that rear-ended a person at a stop sign or the other one that hit a guy on a bike. How is that guy anyway, still in critical condition? Those poor cops that went to the hospital for bruises...what did they expect to get pain meds.
I'd like to know how 2 drunk guys can send 3 cops to the hospital...oh wait, I did hear one pepper sprayed himself...classic. I think these cops need to go back to mall security for a few more years. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:23 AM:
" SCONNI FAN...By the way I never said the entire towns was dirtbags I said a majority. Jeff wrote the city is full of dirtbags. WTF is the difference? "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:21 AM:
" JC....explain to me what laws did the cops break?
SCONNI FAN.....Just buy me a beer next time I see you and we will call it good. "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Check this Mother out on the Wisconsin court system, she's a dead_beat from wayback! "
Bob wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:12 AM:
" The Mother and her spoiled little baby are nothing but looooosers. She needs to be sent away for a long time. "
Simmerkitty wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:55 AM:
" Wow... I am amused that anyone would defend and protect a couple idiots that were dumb enough to assault an officer. Their thinking caps certainly werent on that evening. BTW to the mother (& other parents in this similar situation) Your arent doing your children any good by ignoring their indiscretions and blaming others. Sounds like these immature children would learn a thing or two about RESPECT in boot camp. That is, if any of the military services would want them.
And to all officers who serve and protect Sparta and other communities, THANK YOU! "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:55 AM:
" Right on, Medic. I feel the same way. "
what_that_too wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Haven't you heard, Mothers ALWAYS know best?
Could it be that those kids read about the 100 college Presidents? (They know almost as much as Moms.) "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Willie's comment is not that far off from the truth...the repeat offenders living in Sparta do keep the police busy.
Jeff is almost as ignorant as you OnaRes, I wouldn't quite say full of dirtbads, but there definately are enough here...show me one town that doesn't have their fair share of dirtbags. It is a lot different from how you blasted Sparta as a whole. BTW, OnaRes...Dan Carey is the DA in Sparta. He isn't exaclty good at what he does. Often times not gathering all the facts...hence my sarcasm that hearsay is enough for him to press charges. "
jc wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:49 AM:
" To Onares: Your right I wasnt there its just hearsay, but after reading alot of nonsense I was giving a pretty reliable opinion on the matter... Regardless of what happened with them getting into a scuffle with police is not right no matter the situation.. But on the flipside police have rules they must follow as well and just because they were they badge doesnt mean the can just break them either...
As for previous references to cop that was a big partier i grew up with him, and it was weird knowing what he did in high school and what happened when became a officer was really quite unreal.... Hows it going these days J.K. in tomah "
mxzman19 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM:
" field: I said "If you tripped and fell..." It was a reference to how cops act and perform their duties nowadays. It is a joke. (Well at least 90% of them.) "
medic wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM:
" Why is this such a big deal? Laws were broken, stupid mistakes were made (IE JUMPING ON A COP!!!) and punishments are awaiting their respective owners. This 'poor me poor me' crap makes me ill. "
rfield wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM:
" mxzman19 - did you read the article? It wasn't someone tripping into the cop. I've never tripped and ended up attempting to get an officer into a headlock. Thanks for the laugh though! "
Seriously? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Willie: I am friends with 2 of Sparta cops and knew one other pretty well...and yes, the badge did change them. I've never been arrested, but I have seen first hand how they have changed.
Jeff: I only heard one of the cops' name that was involved...and I don't know him. I think you misread what I was saying. Not all cops change, but the ones I know personally have. In no way, shape, or form am I defending the assailants. I don't fault the Cops involved in this situation one bit. Not to long ago there was a cop that was basically ran out of town for being on a power trip. You see a big change in younger cops...I have anyway. "
mxzman19 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM:
" Actually not quite. I have assisted cops in many ways... especially seeing as I am related to quite a few of them. And quite frankly, they admit to being biased and not quite truthful at times to help push things through the court systems. And quite frankly I don't consider myself a kid. More of a successful auditor, but you can have your opinion. I read the article and I know that they probably did attack the officers more than tripping. The only thing I happen to know is, if an officer has to go to the hospital after an attack, it holds up a littlbe better in court and also usually increases the sentence given to the guilty. It is a measure they take almost every time now that there is any physical altercation. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:32 AM:
" Hey SCONNI FAN....why do you not attack Jeff and Willie for ripping on the citizens of your fine city of Sparta? "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:28 AM:
" SCONNI...who cares about Dan Carey
MXZMAN19....this is hardly a case of someone tripping. Read the story it says the one struck the officer in the chest and the other climbed on the officers back. You really are going to condone this type of behavior? says alot about what kind of kid you are and what type of parents you have. I can bet you have had many run ins with the law. The only people who bash cops are criminals because the cops are your enemy. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:22 AM:
" Thank you TRUTH HURTS.....Could not have explained better myself. That people is the facts. Stop climbing on the fourth amendment band wagon and realize there is not violation of rights. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:21 AM:
" OnaRes...hearsay is more than enough for Dan Carey to press charges! "
jeff wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:20 AM:
" jr and seriously: You're wrong, the cops grew up, you misrepresent that as them being on a power trip. What do you expect the cops to do, sit down and have a beer with these punks? Sparta is full of dirtbags, that's for sure. And you DON'T attack a cop! These punks are lucky the cops only gave them a beatdown and didn't kill them. Anyone attacks a cop should consider themselves lucky if all they get out of it is a major a** kicking. I've seen people try to fight cops and it's hiliarious because they always lose. "
seabiscuit wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:19 AM:
" A few questions: Even though the son was 21, and he was still living at home, aren't the parents still responsible? It was their property and apparently some of the drinkers were underage. And is it ever wise to attack officers of the law, verbally or physically? When did the house get trashed-- before the raid or during it? If the neighbors were bothered by loud noises at 2:15 a.m., it makes me wonder what was going on. I agree with Eddie about the drinking age issue. But some people, even so-called parents, never grow up. "
mxzman19 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:18 AM:
" I am glad the mother is finally standing up for her child. The police should not have entered the house period. And the assault on the cop... that could be anything minor. If you tripped and fell into a cop they could press assault and battery charges against you. The problem is the cops in the Sparta/La Crosse area are on a power trip and abuse their power. I'm glad someone is finally stepping up. I've dealt with all sorts of cops (and not all bad experiences for you skeptics expecting this to come from a young juvenile)from different areas and the ones in the greater La Crosse area are some of the worst! They lie and push boundaries because our corrupt legal system enables them with more power than they should have! Go Mom! "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:17 AM:
" Twilite...that is my point about the noise complaint. It could have been a dog barking, or anything that was loud. So what did the 22 yr old have to hide? Please, enlighten us. A cop walking up to the 22 year old would have no reason to arrest him. It was not his house, and he is of legal drinking age...SEEMINGLY nothing to worry about. Something else was going on that we do not know about. "
TruthHurts wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:17 AM:
" Time for a quick lesson, take it or leave it. The officers were lawfully on scene after being called to a noise complaint. During which, at least one of the officers was assaulted outside, which is a felony. The suspect(s) then fled into the residence. The officers lawfully conducted a warrantless entry of the residence to effect the arrest of the suspect(s). Exigent circumstances allows for law enforcement personnel to conduct warrantless entries/searches of places or things. In this case, "Hot Pursuit" provided exigency, which allowed for the warrantless entry into the residence. Knowledge is power. "
Willie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:14 AM:
" Seems to me the ones that always claim that the badge changes a person and that they become intoxicated by their authority usually "know" someone on the force and are mad because they weren't given a break. Typical small town attitude is that they should turn the other way instead of doing their job, unless of course it is your neighbor that you have a beef with, then you want someone arrested. You can't have it both ways. Too bad, so sad. "
Willie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:06 AM:
" My biggest fear about travelling through small towns is the local cops picking on the out-of-towner passing through. As many times as I have been to Sparta or through Sparta, that has NEVER happened. Now I know why. Sparta has enough dirt-bags and scrotes of its own to keep the cops busy and out of my business. Thanks Sparta! "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:03 AM:
" I enjoy when people come in here and write stuff about what they heard or what they know about a case like this, or they say I know the family in this case and that the story is incorrect. Let me ask you two questions, were you there at the time of the incident? Do you think these kids are going to lie about what really happened to save their own a*#es and not make themselve look bad to their parents? I am guessing you were not there, so all you have is hearsay, which is not even allowed in court. I am guessing these kids know they are facing some serious charges and are going to lie to save their hides. "
jc wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Well there might be a problem here cause they didnt let them in the house due to the fact they had no search warrant and they insisted they werent allowed entrance without one.....
Thats when got out of control and a cop entered and lead to the fiasco.. This is from a close source, and probably why nothings been filed due to that reasoning "
nana3 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:50 AM:
" Another case of pointing the finger at anyone except your own precious child. Your BABY is supposed to be a grown up now. Make him take responsibility for his actions, that's where things started to go wrong. I worked with kids of all ages most of my life, it was always the worst behaved kid who's parents thought their child could do no wrong. Now that Johna has made a fuss over this, wait until her homeowners insurance agent reads about what goes on at her house!
People change when they take an oath to uphold the law and protect the public. It is called growing up and doing the job they were hired to do. "
enough already wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:45 AM:
" personal responsibiliy, it's simple really, take responsibilty for you actions. Treat people right and make amends for what you do wrong, and usally after that you don't really want to do wrong because you know the consequences. I've been there, hope fully I learned and someone can take something good from it. thank-you "
Twilite wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:44 AM:
" and that's the point...the kid did have something to "worry about" or hide, which is probably why he attacked the copper. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:43 AM:
" I don't know about you but if it's not a party, my friends and I don't generally have NOISE loud enough to be called in. "
CJ wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:42 AM:
" Not hard to tell who doesn't even read the articles from the post............Yes we are to respect police officers but much like a boss it's a 2 way street. 2 years of tech school doesn't make you god. When I was younger we never had as many cops crashing cars as you see now either. Still total stupidity for the guys to jump a cop talk about a mark on you for life. "
rfield wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:41 AM:
" Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone assaults an officer and runs into the house, they don't need a warrant to enter the home. Plus if the suspect was fighting with the officer in the house the dogs were probably freaking out and that would be why they were sprayed with the pepper spray. The bottom line is that the kids brought it on themselves. The cops were investigating a noise complaint, they were attacked and they arrested the people using the means necessary to stop the fight. "
Sconni Fan wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:33 AM:
" Twilite...the cops were responding to a NOISE complaint. I assume the caller said loud music, but a noise complaint could have been for a loud muffler, as well. So what you are saying is if me and my best friend were enjoying some drinks and our music was loud...that is a "good" party? At the time the cops were called, I'm sure the "Party" was basically over. There is something more to the story that the public does not know. Why would a 22 yr old with seemingly nothing to worry about attack an officer? "
kmbrion wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:30 AM:
" Get real Ms. Hesselberg. Once a person has physically assulted a police officer, it is game over. Those kids need to take responsibility for their actions and stop having mommy cover for them. "
sillyme wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:28 AM:
" Are you kidding??? Mom is to blame along with her son, not the police. Or maybe, she should file a complaint against the neighbor(s) who called the police with the noise complaint to start with. Has the mom forgot the fact that the legal drinking age is 21. Perhaps, the MOM should be charged with contributing to the underaged drinking of minors. Get real!! Leave our court system open to deal with the REAL crime. Mom teach your son right from wrong and to be responsible for his owns wrong actions. "
OnaRes wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:27 AM:
" It is called escalation of force. Law enforcement officers are allowed to use one step higher degree of force then what is being used on them. If they are attacked by an individual without a weapon, they are by law, allowed to use the amount of force neccessary to stop the action of the attacker, in this case tazer, pepper spray or baton would be justified by law. These kids should consider themselves lucky they did not get hit with the batons. Sounds like this mother knows she has a trouble maker for a child and is trying to keep him out of prison for as long as possible. "
Seriously? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:24 AM:
" Twilite: The ones I drank illegally with were out of highschool...in the limbo college years (19-20). I was just pointing out that the young cops that Sparta has are only a few years out of these shoes. I'm not defending this situation at all, just saying how much the badge can change a person. I've seen one of the biggest partiers in Sparta turn into the biggest A-hole to ever put on the badge...the change was seemingly over night. That is all that I was saying. That, and there seems to be a lot of info that the public is not aware of...yet. "
sp0506 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:06 AM:
" There IS more to the story than what is printed in both the tribune and the Sparta Herald. Whether or not the Hesselberg son is innocent or guilty, isnt the issue. This story is about the excessive use of police force. Im sure Hesselbergs will face some underage drinking party charges later (none have been filed as of yet, anyone wonder why....because stories from BOTH sparta police and hesselberg are not adding up.) Some of the Hesselbergs rights WERE violated in this matter. But why tazer the pets? Are you telling me they became unruly as well? I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the Sparta police were excessive in this situation. Some of the officers act bigger than they are just because they are officers. Ive lived in Sparta for 16 years. It wouldn't suprise me. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:06 AM:
" Also...did mommy ever think that maybe her innocent child and his goody goody friends trashed the house themselves during the party that was loud enough for the cops to be called in the first place? To the person who said that it was just a few friends getting together - that's a nice excuse. But even if it was less than 10 ADULTS, they were obviously throwing a "good" enough party to get the cops called. "
Twilite wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:03 AM:
" fishingpro: These were not high school kids, they are college-age, who should be throwing parties at their own apartments and not their mommy's house. Just a thought.
Seriously: Some people actually grow up. I agree some cops are messed up egotistical idiots. But just because the cops partied in HS doesn't mean they didn't realize what is legally right and wrong. "
JR wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:55 AM:
" seriously? ... I here ya, the badge has changed a lot of them. One of them who I graduated with was a big party person but the minute he put on the uniform he became a completely different person. Strange how that happens. "
Seriously? wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:48 AM:
" All I can say is...who in their right mind would attack an officer unprovoked? The worst thing these kids faced was a stern "turn down the music". Either these guys had something to hide or the cops vastly overreacted. I have drank, yes underage, with several of the now Sparta police and even a former one that is now in Tomah...Sparta residents know who I am talking about. It suprises me how much the badge has changed some of them. I uderstand they have a job to do, but it wasn't that long ago they, too, were complaining about the cops being hard a$$e$. "
Katie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:41 AM:
" Oh cry me a river. Quit making excuses for your "child" being an irrisponsible person and hosing an underage party. Here's a thought.. maybe, just maybe, if your "child" wouldn't have hosted the illegal party in the first place, then the cops wouldn't have been called. Then the kids wouldn't have jumped the cops, and then the cops wouldn't have had to use excessive force. My God.. when will people actually start stepping up to the plate and take responsiblity for their actions? If you break the law don't whine about it when you get caught. You only have yourself to blame. "
JR wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:39 AM:
" There was an article in the Sparta paper about this the other day. There is more to it than what the Trib is reporting here from what I have gathered. Apparently the one kid was pepper sprayed and then tazered on the ground. It wouldnt shock me that Sparta's finest went a little above and beyond what could have been done to control the situation. "
seriously now wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:39 AM:
" I don't care WHAT the situation is, it is always a really BAD idea to assault an officer of the law. Have you ever heard of anyone who has done so and it was considered justified?
No. You can't win if you attack a cop. Deal with the problem later, but don't put up a fight and don't strike out. "
Eddie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:38 AM:
" "This wouldn't have been a problem if the drinking age was what it was supposed to be." -- What an asinine comment. If the legal drinking age is lowered, then it will just INCREASE the amount of drinking/getting drunk. Lower the drinking age, and you will lower the ages of the children at those house parties. Instad of 19 year-olds, you'll have 16 year-olds or even younger. Lower the drinking age, and you provide easier access to alcohol for all those irresponsible children. How brilliant..... "
fishingpro wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:35 AM:
" Wangchung:
You must be dumb as rocks not to understand that the parents were out of town when this party took place. If you would of had any friends in high school you would understand that kids will throw party's and always will. Welcome to the real
world. Get a life dork!!!!! "
kberger82 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:32 AM:
" Isn't there a law against parents knowingly throwing an UNDERAGE party? She should be charged, as well. And who provided all the liquor for the kids that were Underage, her son I assume, was he charged?
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