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Published - Friday, August 29, 2008

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La Crosse committee votes for deer kill


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A La Crosse committee voted unanimously Thursday for a managed hunt to thin the ranks of deer in Hixon Forest and surrounding bluffland.

The decision Thursday came with no debate or deliberation by the city’s ad hoc Deer Management Committee, which months ago had resigned itself that lethal means were needed to manage the deer herd.
“It’s a very successful way to deal with (deer in) urban areas,” said Ron Lichtie, a wildlife biologist with the Department of Natural Resources.

The group opted for a managed hunt rather than trapping and sharpshooting, both of which carry considerable pricetags.

Trapping can cost up to $400 a deer, Parks and Recreation Director Steve Carlyon said. Sharpshooters charge $150 to $200 for each animal killed.

Nonlethal means were mostly moot from the start. What isn’t illegal in the state just would make overpopulation another community’s problem, members said.

At their September meeting, committee members will recommend the type of managed hunt: bow, rifle or disabled.

Despite a tight timeline that must include securing Common Council approval, Carlyon said he hopes to have the program up and running this winter.

But it’s more important that the community buy into the chosen solution, he said.

The committee was formed last year in the wake of a DNR report that found an estimated 84 to 118 deer in a single square mile of Hixon Forest.

The forest can support only about 10 deer per square mile, Lichtie said.

The deer numbers in La Crosse has surpassed what the ecosystem can sustain, and ultimately could cause the population to collapse, he added.

A 2004 ecological inventory of the 800-acre Hixon Forest said the overabundance of deer puts the entire ecosystem at risk.

Forest experts estimated up to 60 plant species already may have been lost to deer overbrowsing.

The managed hunt, if approved, would include Hixon Forest and city-owned blufflands.

Carlyon said the city also would invite neighboring communities and private bluffland owners to participate in the managed hunt.
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wizard wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Re; Gunny,I dont know what you have smoking or where you come from , but there has been no developement near Hixon forest, the bluff faces for over 40 years.Rifles, muzzleloaders would be fine in certain areas. "

Gunny wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:15 PM:

" HonestAbe, reread what I wrote. I said that a bow hunt would work and also time could be set up for a disabled hunt. Because of the homes around there rifles would be dangerous. Shotguns could be used but bow hunting would be safer. Also, I don' want one of the big houses, mine suits me just fine. With all the houses being built in what was just wooded and country farm areas we have taken the natural area away from the deer and that is why there are so many in a small area. I have hunted for almost 50 yrs and hope more people keep hunting. Buy your lic. and enjoy. "

Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:12 PM:

" I just gotta laugh at WI. They set up all these rules and regulations that make hunting almost criminal at every turn so people quit then the deer population explodes and they want to PAY someone to kill them. I got a simple suggestion and its worked since the begining of man. Let the people hunt them and let mother nature take care of the rest. if there going to die anyway this winter than so be it , what do you think shooting them execution style out of season is gonna be more humane? Neil Young "We got a kinder gentler machine gun hand"......Leave them alone let nature take its course! "

wizard wrote on Aug 29, 2008 3:35 PM:

" 35 years ago Hixon forest used to be a rifle range,You could shoot any caliber too! There were no problems, guns would be fine. Let handicapped and kids in first, if you haven't the skills to shoot a deer in Wisconsin as an able abiding adult , you should not be out there in the first place!. Bow hunting would just scatter the deer unless you have a lottery to limit the amount of hunters, for a large influx of bow hunter's with kill range limits around 35 yards would scare the deer to other areas where Human scent would inundate it. "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:27 PM:

" ROCK...not trying to start an argument but there are plenty of documented cases of mountain lions stalking and attacking humans. A group of guys I know who hunt elk in Colorado had a lion stalk them last season. Correct lions are in this area, but few and far between, if they reintroduced them in numbers there would be attacks on humans. "

Rock wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Mountain lions are already here. They've been here for quite a while. Not too many people know about it because they are so rare, but they're out there. And they won't start stalking humans. There are hardly any other lions and only a couple wolf packs to provide any competition, and plenty of game for them. "

HonestAbe wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Make it open to ALL hunters please. I have nothing against the handicapped people, obviously, but we all buy our license and abide by the states set of rules ... so why the discrimination to all hunters?

There is enough for all. Just hold a lottery for license holders, done deal. I think a bow hunt would be the way to go, longer season and less dangerous for the community. "

HonestAbe wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:02 PM:

" Gunny, you always start your posts "I love the stupid comments" and then add your very own. That hillarious. "

what_that_too wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Maybe they could put a couple in the "New" Zoo. Thay ARE an indigenous species, and the new thing sounds about as dull as dirty dishwater. "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:08 AM:

" CATARACTJACK....you really want mountain lions in this area? Not sure just how familiar you are with those species of cats. They stalk humans, once the deer population is gone, they will begin taking peoples pets out of their yards, then one day one will get ballsy and take a child. People would be up in arms when little Johnny's best friend, his puppy, is taken. But when little Johnny becomes the meal people will be asking for heads on a platter. "

daddylonglegs wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Open a special hunt to bow hunters. Make it free, make them shoot a doe before a buck. You could easily thin that herd for nothing. You would have to do something about the hikers/bikers and walkers. Probably have to close the trails during the hunt. Rifles? I don't think so. I could just imagine the lead flying towards the UW-L campus. A .270 can cover some ground in a hurry... Shotguns would probably be OK or even muzzle loaders. "

Willie wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Gunny, your just jealous that one of those big houses isn't yours! LOL. The same can be said about the "predatory" bear seen in the neighborhood. People are so self-centered and self-absorbed any more that they fail to realize they are the problem, not the animals just doing what they do. It will only get worse until the ecosystem collapses and we become Ethiopia. Will Sally Struthers do commercials to feed the American children or will they too be reduced to eating flies? "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:41 AM:

" If they allow archery hunters in there by permit they had better be sure that the hunters must pass an accuracy test. The last thing they need is wounded deer running around and dying in people yards. "

elocs wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:13 AM:

" If there really are that many deer in Hixon the overpopulation is past the point of absurdity. A big thumbs down to the people there who thought it was cute and clever to feed them--that didn't help the problem.

I am not, nor ever have been a hunter, but there is no good way to solve this problem. I only hope it can be done safely being so close to residential areas and with other people nearby. Hopefully this will make for a more healthy deer population. If we do not intervene then Mother Nature has a more cruel answer: starvation and disease. "

Gunny wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:35 AM:

" I love the stupidity of the comments here. To much of anything in an area in not good for the deer.
To many deer, not enough food to support them and they die of starvation. To many people allowed to build their big houses in what was wooded areas for the deer and not enough food. It is our fault that the deer must be killed, not theirs. A bow hunt and also a disabled hunt could be set up with no danger to anyone. Close the forest and golf course in the winter during the week and open it for the hunt. Close the hunt on the weekend and open the forest and course for walkers and skiers. Simple.
Bob Wateski "

cataractjack wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Time to introduce the Mountain lion to Wisconsin. You want a deer heard cleaned up they will feast. "

turbocharged wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Why would the city ever pay ANYONE to come in and get rid of the deer? There are probably HUNDREDS of area hunters who would line up for the chance to go in there and hunt. And if they are worried about the gun hunters and stray bullets...then send in 50 archers.

Use common sense here. This is a no brainer issue. "

ryeguy wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Actually, 10 per square mile, given the sparse brouse in there, and lack of alfalfa fields nearby, seems kind of high. Too many deer and they all suffer. No natural predators like wolves abound, so we need to step up. It is called venison. "

Lefty MaGuire wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:46 AM:

" As a frequent golfer of Forest Hills, I applaud the decision to thin the herd. Too many times, has a great round vanished as a result of some inconsiderate deer making noise in the forest, or running across the fairway disrupting my Tiger Woods like concentration. It's often difficult to make that tough, downhill, right-to-left putt when deer have left hoof marks on the green.
I find it very hard to regain my compusure after having to try to run down a bambi with a golf cart and club it to death.
Hooray for the councils decision! "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:37 AM:

" It is not about the rich playing golf without interruption. It is about too many deer in an area and that are not being able to support the deer. Over population of a deer herd is very damaging to the enviroment and the deer herd. Starvation and disease will run wild through out a herd of this size in an area wich cannot support it. "

davidinlse wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:35 AM:

" RE: cobrajd wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:58 AM: First off, it's a municiple course, not a rich man's country club. Second, there are way to many deer in the forest, did you actually read the entire article? If they aren't thinned out, they will die this winter anyway. You obviously haven't gone walking in the forest, or you would know that it is in fact, just that, a forest. "

kruznlow wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:13 AM:

" Those deer are so under nourished that i wouldnt want their meat. Vensions good but look at the pic of that deer on the main page, its looks scraggly and sick. This is more so why i would support this. If the committee could find a good way to use the carcas's that would be good. "

cobrajd wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:58 AM:

" "Hixon Forest". Whats in a name. It is a forest and who lives in the forest? Wildlife!
Lets kill all the deer so the rich can continue playing golf without interuption from all the nasty animals in the near by"FOREST" "

Krusty wrote on Aug 29, 2008 3:05 AM:

" Tipper, that is soo weird...I was thinking the same exact thing! "

Tipper of Cows wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:17 AM:

" How about if we light the woods on fire and when the deer run out onto the golf course the golfers can club them to death with their nine irons. The deer meat, which will have been "pretenderized" by the beating can then be donated to the homeless. The homeless will then have to eat the deer meat raw because they don't have stoves to cook the deer on. The deer hides can be tanned and given to the mayor and city council to wear as capes. "


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