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District attorney says Book’s neglect showed intent in newborn’s death


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A La Crosse woman’s failure to care for her daughter before and after birth supports a first-degree intentional homicide charge in the newborn’s death, prosecutors said in a brief filed Friday in La Crosse County Circuit Court.

Indra Book is accused of letting her infant die by not providing feedings or other proper care after giving birth alone Aug. 17, 2007, at her former residence at 813 S. Sixth St., according to the criminal complaint.

Public defender Vincent Rust has challenged the homicide charge, contending Book’s “omission” of care doesn’t constitute the intent required to support first-degree intentional homicide.

But in his eight-page brief, La Crosse County District Attorney Tim Gruenke argued other courts have ruled omission can be the basis for a homicide charge.

Gruenke cited numerous cases, including a Texas court ruling that states, “The omission by a parent to perform his statutory parental duty which results in the death of the child, if done intentionally and knowingly, is murder.”

Book, 20, told authorities she tried to breastfeed but was unsuccessful. She admitted she knew the baby would die if not fed, according to the complaint.

“First-degree intentional homicide is committed by causing the death of another where the defendant is aware that her conduct … was practically certain to cause death,” Gruenke wrote in his brief.

La Crosse County Circuit Judge Scott Horne asked the attorneys file the briefs after Rust made a motion to dismiss the homicide charge July 23. Horne will review both briefs and rule on the motion Friday.

Rust argued in his brief the state has not proven Book acted with the “specific intent to kill.”

Gruenke said Book had no intention to care for the infant after giving birth because she did not seek prenatal care or supplies for the newborn, such as formula, diapers and clothing.

“The defendant admits knowing her conduct was practically certain to cause death and her behavior before the birth, during the victim’s life and after the death support an inference she did not want the victim to live,” Gruenke stated.

After delivery, Book cleaned up any evidence of the birth and took the newborn to a secluded garage.

“… She did not want the child discovered by anyone else ... and (she) was going to wait for the death to occur so she could then hide the victim’s body,” Gruenke stated in the brief. “…The victim died a slow death. The defendant did not attempt any lifesaving measures or call for help even though she would have watched her die.”

Book placed the body outside in a plastic cooler, which later was set out for trash collection. The container and baby’s remains have not been found. She also has been charged with hiding a corpse.

Book, now of 1251 S. 17th St., remains free on $10,000 cash and a $40,000 property bond.
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cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:19 AM:

" Robert Fulghum wrote this...how petty and miniscule do you think we are when we berate and yet call for the very same thing....come on people....I know that there will be those who live a full and blessed life,not because of those who tear down, but in spite of them. "

cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:13 AM:

" About the man in the burning bed in the story. As with most of what we see other people do, we don't know why they do it, either. If our own actions are mysteries, how much so others'? Why did he lie down on the burning bed? Was he drunk? Ill? Suicidal? Blind? Cold? Dumb? Did he just have a weird sense of humor? Or what? I don't know. lt's hard to judge without a lot more information. Oh sure, we go ahead and judge anyhow. But maybe if judgment were suspended a bit more often, we would like us more. "

cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:12 AM:

" And the Greek dramatist Euripides puts these words in Medea's mouth just before she murders her own children: "I know what evil I am about to do. My irrational self is stronger than my resolution."

Psychiatrists make a lot of money off this dilemma, and theologians make a lot of noise. But not only is it unresolved, it is unresolvable. One lives with the dilemma, and in the living takes comfort in the company of those who habitually lie down on burning beds of one kind or another. It would be better if could simply lay claim to the beds we choose as our own and get on with it. "

cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:10 AM:

" Saint Paul bemoaned the fact that "I cannot understand my own behavior. I fail to carry out the things I want to do, and I find myself doing the very things I hate. "

cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:07 AM:

" A lot of us could settle for that on our tombstones. A life-story in a sentence. Out of the frying pan and into the hot water. I was looking for trouble and got into it as soon as I found it. The devil made me do it the first time, and after that I did it on my own.

Or to point at this truth at a less intense level, I report a conversation with a colleague who was complaining that he had the same damn stuff in his lunch sack day after day. Who makes your lunch?" I asked. "I do," says he.

We've got some fine old company in this deal. "

cylent wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:04 AM:

" A TABLOID NEWSPAPER CARRIED THE STORY, stating simply that a small-town emergency squad was summoned to a house where smoke was pouring from an upstairs window. The crew broke in and found a man in a smoldering bed. After the man was rescued and the mattress doused, the obvious question was asked: "How did this happen?"

"I don't know. It was on fire when I lay down on it."

The story stuck like a burr to my mental socks. And reminded me of a phrase copied into my journal from the dedication of some book: ''Quid rides? Mutato nomine, de te fabula narratur." Latin. From the writings of Horace. Translated: "Why do you laugh? Change the name, and the story is told of you." "

conscience? wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:18 PM:

" The baby wouldn't have died of starvation, but dehydration is a possibility. From the small amount of research I've done it seems that a newborn can become dehydrated in less than 12 hours. It's possible that the baby died from something else, but failing to provide medical care is a crime. The people that prayed while their daughter died of untreated diabetes were charged. None of this would be happening if she would have taken her baby to the hospital and the the baby died there. "

Just thinking... wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:33 PM:

" Oops..I had a typo. It should read, "newborn babies do not have immediate nutritional needs for several DAYS after birth". Sorry about that! "

Just thinking... wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:31 PM:

" I can't help but feeling so sad every time I read about this. I am pregnant with my fifth child and one of my babies was a still-birth, so it evokes a lot of emotion. One thing that I feel should be clarified, though, is that they don't know that this baby died from starvation, despite the fact that the mother failed to feed it. I was just reading that newborn babies do not have immediate nutritional needs for several after birth(as written in "What to Expect When You're Expecting"). I am guessing there were some other serious health issues with the baby (wasn't the baby pre-term?) We may never know the actual cause of death; however, the mothers negligence should not be excused regardless of the cause. "

tinydancer047 wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:26 PM:

" Jackson: Read the whole comment before you take a small portion out of context...I work in the health field, and it USED TO sicken me that someone would be allowed to drop a baby off at a hospital without questions, but realize after these horror stories that it's for the baby's sake, not the neglectful parent!! Why didn't the man that duct taped his baby know about dropping a baby off at the hospital? That is the point I was trying to make. It needs to be a more known thing that there is someone or entity(hospital) that will care for the babies. It wasn't to compare one horror against another. Just get the public to know that there is help...even for the ones with warped minds. "

sadly true wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Im Still Jackson : Thankyou, I find it sad how much hate and judging there is against someone no one knows, The paper makes it seem as poof she gave birth with no problems. Pregnancy and childbirth is a very scare thing to go through when your alone. AND we dont even know the whole side of her story "

Gracie12 wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Do you know how beautiful babies look when they're born? The tiny eyelashes, little toes and fingers, etc. This baby had a soul, a personality, emotions. Even in her/his? (she claims she didn't even know the sex of the child) short few hours, this baby knew she/he was not loved. Women have baby's who are stillborn and they still hold the baby (not wanting to let go). This baby's fate was decided way before she/he was born. How Sad!!! "

Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Tiny dancer?"It used to sicken me to think that a person would want to drop their baby off, but it's completely understandable to me now!!! "

So which was worse this sad tragic story or the one where Mr Kramer in Brownsville duck taped his son to a tree in a garbage bag alive and left him to die?
My point is there are some sick people out there and those laws dont prevent stupid people from commiting horrible crimes where they have no one to turn to for help in THEIR OWN TWISTED WARPED MINDS.You need a license to drive buy anyone can procreate and have children.SAd but true! "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Take your hurt feelings and go fly a kite, I do not give a crap what you or any other POS think. "

J.B. wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:34 AM:

" OnaRes,you proved my point by judging me as a bleeding heart liberal,which I'm not,btw. "

Willie wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:39 PM:

" Funny how some people that comment on these pages accuse others of having all the answers, yet they too seem to know more about what is going on than everybody else. Sadly, they know nothing more. "

tinydancer047 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:28 PM:

" There is a law that a person is able to "drop" a baby off at any hospital, without questions, in the first three days of its life...I wonder why she (Book), and perhaps others, don't know about this. It used to sicken me to think that a person would want to drop their baby off, but it's completely understandable to me now!!! "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Real world,
I'd be all for it if your solution was an option. She would also have to do many hours of community service, but that's not the way it works. She'll get a slap on the wrist. "

Ducky wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:41 PM:

" This is one of the most unthinkable acts an human being could do. When we have a pet die most people dispose of them a humanly way, and most of the time with great sarrow. It blog specks of her actions, but where is her family, the "father" of the Dear Child? I hope they aren't left off scot free. Certainly somebody would have noticed all was not right with this "person" God will deal with her and everyonme concerned in this awfull case. "

Just-A-Bozo wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:58 PM:

" This person deserves the same compassion she apparently had for her newborn. You do the math.... "

The Real World wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:33 PM:

" Do you all think that it pays to lock up stupid people? Sterilize her and let her go. Spend the incarceration money on education. "

SBR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:21 PM:

" What's with all the generalization of the liberals? I happen to be liberal and I still think this girl should be punished to the max! I have ZERO sympathy for this young lady. "

nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Many people seem to miss the point that this baby died within 16-18 hours of birth, not a few days later as the Tribune initially reported. A child would not starve that quickly. No one knows for certain what this child died from, but starvation seems unlikely. Ms. Book should be punished for not seeking medical attention for her child but it seems pointless to argue the mute point of starvation. Without a body the prosecution will have a difficult time proving what this child died from beyond a reasonable doubt. "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:38 PM:

" I'm making all of my statements on what she admitted to doing. She said she had a baby. She said she tried to feed the baby. She said she gave up. She said she knew the baby would die. She put her dead child in a cooler. "

please wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Re: Jackson
True there was no body. And yes, she is entitled to a fair trial. But it doesn't mean people aren't entitled to their opinions. I realize she hasn't been found guilty but with the confessions she HAS made it's bound to stir up emotions. I agree with sticking to the facts and the facts she has presented herself, she's practically convicted herself.

What makes me sick is the legal system being full of "technicalities" and "loopholes" and someone like her could very likely get off with a slap on the wrist. The same laws that protect us, also screw us; and in defense of that baby (not a fetus) that SHOULD infuriate everyone. "

Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Sadly true: Thanks for asking a legal question on topic. Its my guess that the DA will try and prove that the lack of preperation for birth as mentioned in the article and the failure to act ect along with the rest of the so called facts of this horribly tragic story as to build a case without a corpse autopsy ect.He has his work cut out for him but this is LaCrosse where they can make anything happen.I would be motioning for a change in venue immediately based on this blog alone. At this point all they have is a so called confession that a good lawyer could probably get tossed on coersion for NO LAWYER present would ever advise his client to confess facing the evidence against Ms book, Its all circumstantial at best and without that confession I doubt we would had ever heard about this. "

sadly true wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:06 PM:

" Question? How can a they prove the "intent" with no body? "

Mack wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Nobody knows the cause of death except several people on this blog who should all be calling the police with their new evidence. "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:42 PM:

" J.B. first off I would never want to be a judge, second off I never judged anyone, they say it themselves, you can tell who the liberals are in here. They tell us to give the girl a break, she was young, she did not know any better, go easy on her punishment. Unfortunately some of our liberal judges lately have done just that, cut people slack and not give out the sentences they deserve. If that is judging someone then guilty as charged, but it is a fact. I would guess by your reaction you are one of the bleeding heart liberals I refer to. "

J.B. wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:08 PM:

" OnaRes,why don't you get appointed to the bench,and become a Judge,because all you ever do is judge everyone else on these blogs! "

Anna wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Dehydration and starvation are a very, very painful way to go. As someone mentioned, it's criminal to starve an animal to death! Even more so for a helpless little person. "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:46 PM:

" Put her away for a long,long,long time......of course the bleeding heart liberals in this area will not do that. "

MOM OF 1 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I've been watching this story from the beginning. And emotions are high, including mine. But we have to face the facts. In America, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty and they have a right to a trial by jury. How easy is it going to be to find a jury for this gal? I could not be a juror. And, one punishment she will have the rest of her life is hearing that innocent baby crying for food and her refusal to meet the most basic of needs for her. May God have mercy on her soul. "

Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:10 PM:

" I wish ya'all would learn to seperate emotion from legality and have a healthy debate instead of a lynch mob, string her up in the town square mentality. How about waiting for ther TRIAL thats a thing people are entitled to a fair trial before being convicted or aquitted. Them the rules people and emotional dont mean $hit in court its the facts and the legality along with intent. if this woman has one shread of mental health issues anywhere in her past or even now, Murder one is GONE reduced to manslaughter. "

Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:04 PM:

" I see the prolifers have once again taken over the blogs without any debate over the DA's decision and his ability to prove those charges.
This will be a long drawn out trial the taxpayers will spend a fortune on because of an over zealous DA taking the long shot with Murder 1 and NO BODY. That conviction will look great on his record if it were to become a reality but I doubt after the defense tells the sad sad story of how this came to be it will be a murder 1 conviction.Thers alot more to this story than anyone reading this rag knows and their saving it for court! "

oopsy daisy wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Seem's to me that this story brings opinions from all kinds. It is beyond me how anyone could in any way,shape or form defend this woman,and I use the term woman loosely. How could anyone let a little baby just die and then throw it away? That's the bottom line,she let her own baby die and she watched it happen.If she is as mentally and or emotionaly deficient as some people claim she is then I wonder if she should be out there running around free? I think that is a very scarey thought,kind of like a Charlie Manson in the neighborhood. "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:31 AM:

" quay-
At least the service men and women get to make the choice to go to Iraq and die. This little girl was totally dependent on her "mother" to take care of her. She didn't make the choice to not be fed, to die alone and be put in a beer cooler. "

please wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:23 AM:

" I know it's very extreme and unconstitutional (and I know it's not right, it's just the way I feel at times like these;) but in cases like this I always think "involuntary sterilization". Does that thought ever cross anyone else's mind? "

please wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Re: Contrarian
I disagree with you on almost all points. First of all, a 13 year old knows about pregnancy; at least one who is in a public school. ASK your 13 year old that you use as an example, if it's ok to NOT feed a baby.

And as far as you saying that this baby did not suffer any more than a cat or a dog starving to death, you are also wrong. Babies cry to communicate. Pinch a newborn baby; they feel pain. They also feel hunger pains. Do not suppose to judge what that baby went through and perhaps think more about that baby instead of being so "compassionate" regarding Book. What she did was the same as pulling a trigger on a gun and saying, "Gee...I didn't think the bullet would KILL the baby." "

happymom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Glad to see I made such an impression on Mack with my preferred herbide for wild marijuana plants! I commend you on your memory skills! I don't think these blogs are hate-filled, I think they reflect the disgust people feel with the Indra Books' of society running amok and rarely facing the punishment they deserve. These blogs are a healthy outlet. "

quay wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:39 AM:

" I agree with that Willie, we do throw away life
4,100 service men and women so far in Iraq.
And when we pull out and Iran moves in and civil war breaks out, it will be all for nothing. PERIOD!!!!! "

Willie wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Fair trial yes, easy punishment? No way! These things will continue to happen if the message is never sent that it is wrong. Nothing, absolutely nothing negates or mitigates this crime. Did you read about the 6 year old that found a newborn (2 hours old) in the bushes while playing hide and seek? What about the 2 or 3 baby bodies they have found in the the Mississippi River by the Twin Cities in the past 2 years? This throw away society we live in has caused us to throw away life! Anybody that defends these actions is as despicable as the person committing the crime.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS BEHAVIOR, PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

MIMI wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:13 AM:

" I think that even though this story is absolutely disgusting to read, we should try to remember that this girl HAD to have had severe problems in her life to have done this. I would love to know where HER mother/family was during this pregnancy. I guess one can only assume that she didn't have too many people looking out for her either. Of course I could be wrong, some people are very good at hiding things. "

Mack wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Then it's settled, no trial needed, just follow the wishes of this blog. There's enough hate here to wipe out a country.-----------happymom---you deserve a few thousand dollar fine for dumping your waste oil on weeds. And here I thought mistakenly thought small farmers were the preferred stewards of our landscape. "

nana3 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:29 AM:

" re:contrarian. Are you kidding me???? The infant suffered no more than a cat or dog?????? People go to prison for starving animals. Where did you get your medical degree? You seem to think you know it all. There are homicides committed by kids 12-17, many times they are tried as adults. Maybe you should consider getting into the next group of people willing to starve, for medical research! "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Let's let contrarian starve to death. I'll bet they change their tune on whether it's painful or not. And I would be pushing for prison time if she let her cat or dog starve to death. She made a conscience decision to let her human baby die. Lock her up. "

OMAR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:06 AM:

" "Infants dont think" I think that is just dumb along with comparing infants with cats and dogs. I think the "infants dont think" theory only applies to you "contrarian" and it followed you because for you to say something like that. But maybe i am wrong, you are the one with all the research "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:06 AM:

" She does not deserve any compassion, She knew what the end result would be for her actions, she admitted it.

"She admitted she knew the baby would die if not fed, according to the complaint."

This girl chose to get preagnent by not using birth control. If this child was a product of rape I would be willing to bet that the defense would have included that in their argument. This girl let that child die without any thought of obtaining help....sounds like murder to me. "

contrarian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:53 AM:

" I'm sure no one is arguing that punishment is inappropriate (I'm not). However, possible mitigating circumstances, if they exist, should be considered. The death of an infant is a tragedy, but infants don't 'think'. While the infant died, it suffered no more than a cat or dog would that was starving to death. Medical research shows that starvation is not a painful death. Again, this child should have had a chance at life and the mother must face the consequences of her behavior. But compassion and justice are not incompatible. "

happymom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Wow, not a conscience adult at 19! Fanatstic! LET'S MAKE NEW LAWS SO THAT UNTIL YOU ARE A CONSCIENCE ADULT AT 24, you cannot buy or sell property, drink alcohol, vote, enter into marriage and certainly not have babies, etc, etc, etc. What a load of poo. This chick has a brain problem - maybe her pre-frontal cortex didn't develop and we are left with a sociopathic moron. Whatever, she needs to go to prison. "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Maybe we should just let her go since she's not a cognitive adult. I'm going to bet there are thousands of women between the ages of 18 and 23 that are raped and don't let their babies starve to death. We need to start holding American citizens to a higher standard. She knew it was wrong and is responsible for the death of a human being. "

SBR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Mack,
I never said we USED those types of punishments in today's world...it is what is deserved though.

Just think of the baby and what a slow, painful death it would have been. Her stomach would have been aching for food from the mother (she would have recognized her mother's voice and known she was her mother), then her organs would have slowly shut down until her heart stopped beating--all the while she was crying and wondering why her mother wasn't holding her and feeding her....how can you have any compassion for this woman? "

OMAR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Thanks for your research on adulthood,whatever the case was, you could do something else with the baby. Like, put the baby up for adoption for some loving caring parents. "

contrarian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:05 AM:

" Before the kind citizens of our fair city form a lynch mob, there are several things to consider. Yes, she made a series of terrible, tragic decisions. But research shows that 18 year olds are NOT cognitive adults. Decision making isn't mature until 24. Beyond that, all these decisions show she was DESPERATE to hide the pregnancy. Why such a pressing need? Has anyone investigated the circumstances of the pregnancy? Was she raped? Was there some other crime against her involved? There may be more here than meets the eye. Perhaps that should be factored into the punishment decision. "

OMAR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:03 AM:

" and feed her baby food the whole time she is in prison. "

OMAR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:00 AM:

" How crazy, She is probably going to go to jail for a while where she is going to get 3 meals a day and never go hungry. lock her up forever!!! "

OnaRes wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:31 AM:

" She lets this little baby starve to death, does not seek any type of assistance or aid. She said she knew it would die if not fed, then when it does die she put it out for garbage. This girl should rot in prison, the only reason I say that is because we do not allow capital punishment in this state. If I had my wa I would make her suufer a slow death just like the child did. "

conscience? wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:15 AM:

" I don't think anyone would think it was just a "mistake" if she did this to a five year old. Why is it OK since it was an infant? This was a human being people. A real live baby. She killed a baby. She should have her ovaries yanked out and sit in prison for a long time. "

carmenwi wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:57 AM:

" America is way too easy on criminals. Ignorance is no excuse, people need to be held accountable for their actions. "

Just-A-Bozo wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:55 AM:

" N.W.O.: The 13 year old would likely be adjudicated under the applicable juvenile codes. This person was 19....last time I checked that makes her an adult. A mistake? A bad decision? Running a red light is a mistake. Stealing a car is a bad decision. Random vandalism is a bad decision. This person willingly neglected her own infant, knowing it would die. And then put it out for trash pickup. Un-freakin-believable. "

rick wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:41 AM:

" What a heartless bitch! "

jerminator wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:59 AM:

" it's the liberal left-wing democrats in this area that would let this young lady go after a few years. what kind of voice does this speak for the legally-protected life (babies in utero do not have any legal protection against abortion(murder)) that was murdered? yeah people die, but when someone is incapable of providing for their own care, they go to a home. then someone feeds and clothes and bathes them until they die naturally. this baby should have the same rights. "

samalander wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:13 AM:

" Agree 1000% SBR. I'd let her starve and rot in a dark and damp prison cell....

I just can not understand for the life of me, how someone could let a newborn starve to death.
That poor baby had no idea what was happening to it...it had no idea....that poor, scared, innocent infant.
I CAN however, understand how someone would want to get rid of a crying baby...Every new mother has those split second thoughts, when it's the middle of the night, and all you want to do is put the baby back to sleep and rest, but the baby needs to be fed (any new mother that denies ever thinking those crazy sleep-deprived thoughts is lying)......but to actually go through with committing such a horrible act is just beyond me.
Only a heartless, ungrateful, narcissistic pig would do something so heinous. "

new world order wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:34 AM:

" 'Mack' is right. This woman deserves a fair trial. If this young lady does any severe length of time for what she's accused of, I'll be surprised. She made a mistake, a bad decision, and she's young. 13 year olds get pregnant....Would everyone feel like she should hang if she was 13? "

Mack wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:24 AM:

" SBR, such primitive punishments do still happen in certain parts of the world but that is not what this country is based on. "

SBR wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:07 AM:

" Any stories on this case make my stomach turn. I cannot fathom how someone can let her own infant die. I still think proper punishment would be to let this young lady starve to death. "

Mack wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:55 PM:

" Oh boy! Now we're following Texas, home of the drive through beer depots and average IQ in the double digits. "


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