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Ryan, Hodge out; Frost, Goode in


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GREEN BAY — For a team that puts a premium on special teams, the Green Bay Packers are taking a risk by entering Monday night’s regular-season opener against the Minnesota Vikings with an overhauled kicking operation.

But it’s a risk worth taking in the opinion of general manager Ted Thompson, who cut punter Jon Ryan in favor of Washington Redskins castoff Derrick Frost Monday and chose Brett Goode to be the team’s long-snapper after a three-man snap-off Sunday.
Only second-year kicker Mason Crosby remains in the kicking game from the group that went through training camp. A new long-snapper was unavoidable after rookie J.J. Jansen was placed on season-ending injured reserve Saturday with a knee injury.

“It’s a good question, but we’re trying to get better,” Thompson replied when asked if there was some concern over facing the Vikings with a new punter, a new holder and a new snapper. “We’ve got a long week. There is change, but there is always a little change this time of year, whether it be at running back like in past years or at punter and snapper here. It’s just part of it.”

Crosby, who led the NFL in scoring as a rookie last year and made 33 of 41 field-goal attempts (including playoffs) with Ryan as his holder and now-retired Rob Davis as his snapper, tried to take the change in stride.

“I didn’t see it coming,” said Crosby, who considered Ryan his best friend on the team and had him as a groomsman in his June wedding. “It’s the most important thing for my job. It’s what I depend on the most — making sure that snap and that hold is good. It’s obviously a trust you’ve got to build. It’s just part of this business, and we have to make sure we build this trust with this unit.”

Ryan averaged 48.0 gross yards and 37.7 net yards on 23 preseason punts, with five touchbacks, seven punts inside the 20-yard line and a long of 72. He had two poor punts in the opener (14- and 15-yarders).

In two years as the Packers’ punter, the strong-legged CFL import averaged 44.5 gross and 37.0 net yards on 144 punts. Last season, his averages were 44.4 gross and 37.6 net.

“I felt like I was hitting the ball better than I ever have before, and I felt like I did everything that was asked of me in training camp,” Ryan said. “I don’t know what happened. It kind of came out of nowhere. But it is what it is.”

Asked Monday why he prefers Frost to Ryan, Thompson replied, “I think Jon has really improved. He’s obviously a very talented, very strong athlete. He can hit punts like nobody I have ever seen. ... This is not a kill Jon Ryan thing. He is a good punter and (has) very impressive strength, like I said. I think we were just looking for a little bit more consistency.”

Frost, a fifth-year pro from Northern Iowa, averaged 41.0 gross and 36.4 net for the Redskins last year. He lost out to rookie draft pick Durant Brooks in camp this year, and said Monday he’d set up tryouts with the Pittsburgh Steelers for Monday and the Seattle Seahawks for today. The New England Patriots also were interested, but the Packers signed him without a tryout.

Frost broke through in 2004 with Cleveland (40.0 gross, 35.4 net) before spending the past three seasons with the Redskins. His best season statistically was 2006, when he averaged 42.9 gross and 36.7 net yards while putting 27 punts inside the 20-yard line. For his career, Frost has averaged 41.1 gross and 36.4 net yards, with 97 punts inside the 20. Of his 317 career punts, 159 have been returned, none for touchdowns.

“That’s what they want out of me — more direction and more hang time,” Frost said. “That really is my strong suit, and I really need to get back to it. This is a chance to do that.”

Asked about his relationship with Packers special teams coach Mike Stock, who was in Washington in 2003 and tried to sign him coming out of Northern Iowa, Frost replied, “I probably know him better than any special teams coach I haven’t played for yet, if that makes any sense.”

Goode was thrilled to have a job after beating out Tim Bugg and Ryan Senser during a three-way tryout Sunday. Linebacker Abdul Hodge was released to make room for him on the roster.

Goode was working construction for his father’s company when the Packers called, and there’s an unfinished driveway in Fort Smith, Ark., as a result.

“I was framing up a driveway to get poured concrete in,” said Goode, who played collegiately at Arkansas and was on the Jacksonville Jaguars’ offseason roster the past two seasons. “We had just taken a break, it was about 93 degrees, and I got the call.”

Crosby said he didn’t kick any field goals with Frost and Goode Monday but expects to do so today.

“I just have to get that trust with these guys really quick. We’re just going to have to get that operation down,” Crosby said. “We’ve got five practices to work on it and make sure we’re solid coming into the first game.”
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packerbacker wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:32 PM:

" If TT was not happy with OUR punter, any decent GM would have brought in a gaggle of punters to compete for the job in mini-camp and preseason and select one. No One with a brain would cause this much disruption with a week to go! TT is the one with the wrong mindset and he should be dumped NOW before his ego can do ANY more DAMAGE to the Packers! "

packerbacker wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:28 PM:

" To TT, the only kind of change I would like to see is: YOUR RESIGNATION! GET OUT! "

packerslive wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM:

" I would like to thank Ted Thompson for creating a locker room where all the players now walk on eggshells. There is no longer any job security for any of the players. I hope Green Bay cans Thompson before we start losing star players to free agency. Seriously? cutting Ryan for a punter who is marginally better, Seriously? "

Coughin Corner wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:54 AM:

" I've been saying this for years, ALL kickers should be experts at kicking a punt inside the 5 yard line if they're starting from anywhere near the 50. I've been to training camp many times and the kickers do more standing around, spinning footballs on their finger tips, bouncing a football like a basketball...all these little tricks but they can't put the ball out at the 5 yard line or better. It's rediculous. They're professionals and should be working on this everyday. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:48 PM:

" doc...name the so called "back stage" demands...and the published source... "

doctor9 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:47 PM:

" I agree that the coffin corner kick is something you only see in video games these days. I can't help but think there's more going on here, like we learned about Favre's selfish backstage demands over the last few years. Unfortunately, Ryan's not a marquee player so the truth will probably never see the light. Personally, I was consistently impressed with Ryan's work, and I hope this doesn't come back to bite us. Whichever team gets him will be adding an impressive weapon to special teams. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:39 PM:

" slinger...wake up, it's not 1982 anymore...name JUST one punter today that utilizes the "coffin corner" punt....nadda...none...interestingly most of the punts that wound up in the end-zone were a result of failures to down the ball by the defenders downfield...few of them landed IN the endzone. The "coffin corner" is a lost art that SHOULD be brought back...it's the only way to truly control THAT play, but it does eliminate pressure on the receiver and fumbles near the goal line. "

fishingpro wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:02 PM:

" That is crazy the packers would get rid of their proven punter. They need him since all they are going to be doing this year is punting. "

slinger1919 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:27 PM:

" No doubt Ryan has a strong leg. If I had to guess why they did release him is because of his inconsistency of putting the ball inside the 20. I remember way too many times there were touchbacks inside of coffin-corner kicks. I have no idea if this warranted his release but in my opinion pinning a team inside the 20 was his weekest point of his kicking game. The touchbacks also resulted in a good punting average for himself so his average may/may not be a little decieving "

packer backer wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:28 AM:

" I wonder how much say Mikey has in any of these decisions, or does TT just ram these ideas down MM's throat? Let's see, we are going to get rid of a punter that did better than the guy we want. Hmmm Sounds allot like another decision ol TT made a month or so ago! "

GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:26 AM:

" normally i think teddy does a pretty good job, but this really has me confused. i'm not sure why he'd do this. i don't like losing abdul hodge either, but that i can kind of understand because we have so many good linebackers on the roster and we needed to sign a long snapper. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:14 AM:

" Ted's an idiot, and his mathematical reasoning is extremely poor. "We're looking for a little more consistency"...the guy's averaged better than Frost's BEST season for his career...and the consistency? You've got one of the BEST kickers in the game right now, and right before the Vikings, Monday NIGHT, SEASON OPENER, you decide to make this change. Way to go BRAINIAC... "


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