tax-me-more wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Big Spender
wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:23 PM:
" It's the economy,..."
You are RIGHT! So please explain to me how Higher Taxes will help? "
*PrivateSectorDoesIt Better* wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:38 AM:
" Barrack Hussein Obama lets it slip he is Muslim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQK_EhDhZQ "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:02 PM:
" To P.O'Bates, re: "I believe the people implementing the discipline were scapegoated by some weaselly Generals who ordered and allowed those conditions to exist. That being said, there is no proof that Bush ordered the Abu Ghraib treatment or even knew of it. I suspect Rumsfeld probably knew, but there again you need proof"
Germans who knew of Hitler's concentration camps and Russian who knew of Stalin's Gulag convinced themselves that their "Great and Kindly Leader" could not possibly have known of these things, when, in fact, these things were the brainchild of the "Great Leader." Bush certainly was in on the waterboarding thing...it's likely that the Abu Ghraib war atrocities came about straight from the top. That makes Bush and the rest war criminals. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:43 AM:
" Abu Ghriab continued...
I believe the people implementing the discipline were scapegoated by some weaselly Generals who ordered and allowed those conditions to exist. That being said, there is no proof that Bush ordered the Abu Ghraib treatment or even knew of it. I suspect Rumsfeld probably knew, but there again you need proof.
In the end, Abu Ghraib was straighten out. If Bush was truely a tyrant, you wouldn't have known about Abu Ghraib, and nothing would have changed there. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:40 AM:
" One last thing, Abu Ghraib.
In Abu Ghraib, we didn't train the jailers or give them a consistent guidebook--they had five versions and a lot of encouragement to improvise. They were under fire, in danger from the prisoners, kept up all night, and sent 3000 prisoners into a space fit for less than a tenth that. Then their senior officers praised how they stripped naked--as a matter of procedure--the suspected terrorists. In lieu of policies, the interrogation officers praised the initiative of the MPs for preparing the prisoners, mainly because their 'torture' worked in controlling the prisoners. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:29 AM:
" A few points for Big Spender,
One, I should have said a 'possible' tyranical Obama Administration. No one will know if he will be tyranical until he gets into office.
Two, I see nothing wrong with people in Alaska or else where discussing separating from an oppressive government. Even if Palin was part of that group, it would mean that she has the same type of beliefs as me.
Three, there is no Bush tyranny, no matter how you try to slice it. Look up tyranny and learn something.
Four, I love that Bush has done a wonderful job protecting America from Islamic terrorists. He isn't perfect, but far better than either Gore or Kerry would have been. "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:26 AM:
" To P.O'Bates, re: "Speaking of the Alaska Independance [sic] Party, I bet if Obama pulls of a miricle [sic] and wins the Presidency, you are going to see many Independance [sic] Parties forming. You might even see a mass exodus of free spirited people flocking to Alaska for freedom from a tyranical [sic] Obama Administration."
The opposite is true--look at the tyrannical record of your beloved GW Bush and cronies: Abu Ghraib, NSA wiretaps on innocent U.S. citizens, waterboarding torture that even McCain has denounced, library records under surveillance thanks to Bush 'Patriot Act'....
You can't love Bush and freedom at the same time; the two are mutually exclusive. See the badness on your own side, then you'll begin to see the truth. "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:16 AM:
" To P.O'Bates, re: "It's also good to see that Big Spender is posting his links. I don't have time to address every one, but when you take time to look into every one of his links you will find a rebuttal. Here is one on Palin being part of the Independance Party"
Not accurate; my link does not say Palin was a member at all, it says "she courted" the Alaska Independence Party:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column "
diversity wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:57 PM:
" Now McCain has a bed partner that's why he picked Sarah Palin... Oops, this suppose to be kept secret like everything else the Republicans does. "
Greenlite wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:33 PM:
" As Governor of one of the poorest States in the Union, who the he11 ever heard of Bill Clinton, and just how much experiencw did he have before being elected Pressident? The lib left only likes strong women who line up with their narrow point of view. Go John and Sarah. Don't be discouraged. Stay the course, and let the left be blown aroung by the winds of "Change". "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:04 PM:
" Speaking of the Alaska Independance Party, I bet if Obama pulls of a miricle and wins the Presidency, you are going to see many Independance Parties forming. You might even see a mass exodus of free spirited people flocking to Alaska for freedom from a tyranical Obama Administration. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:01 PM:
" It's good to see the angry libs are stewing over the powerful woman VP selection. That alone shows you that McCain made a good choice if the libs hate it.
It's also good to see that Big Spender is posting his links. I don't have time to address every one, but when you take time to look into every one of his links you will find a rebuttal. Here is one on Palin being part of the Independance Party: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/alaska-party-official-says-palin-was-not-a-member/ "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:42 PM:
" Re: kbg
Now, that I can agree with. :) "
kbg23 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:24 PM:
" RE: please
Those aren't the people Obama will help. Anyways, I am tired of arguing this point. You have your views - I have mine. That's why we vote and that's why we live in America. Agree to disagree. "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:59 PM:
" re: kbg
There are PLENTY of people in this country who got financial aid, went to school, got a degree and are unemployed right now.
Why is it the people who are able to help those in need consider themselves victims? "
northsidersrule wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:52 PM:
" Sarah Palin is the John Edwards of the republican party. Pretty face, nice hair. But when you start really examining what she has accomplished, like Edwards, it isn't much. Their looks got them nominated. Although I don't think Palin is the cheating piece of crap Edwards is. It reminds me of when Edwards was the VP nominee. Women were all gaga over him. Now conservative men are infatuated with Palin. "
enuffalready wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:33 PM:
" Oops. Forgot to add the same as Sentor Obama will be for the Democrats. "
enuffalready wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:32 PM:
" Also, getting back to the point of the article, those that believe that Governor Palin didn't make a HUGE splash on the national political scene, have your head buried in the sand. Probably the equivalent to Senator Obama only four short years ago.
You may agree with her, or disagree with her, but she will be a force to be reckoned with on the national scene for some years to come. "
enuffalready wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:12 PM:
" What I think is really comical is how each side of the aisle, and their fans here in the blogosphere world, want to blame the other side and not take ANY of the blame on their side for our country's financial situation. Do any of you, honestly now, think that either one side or the other is ONLY to blame?
Sure would like to hear some well thought and reasoned responses from some of "the other side is totally evil" crowd. "
bucketz wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:10 PM:
" kbg - in case you are confused, that was sarcasm. You seem to be hung up on one issue. You must be one of those people who can only repeat the same old tired argument over and over again. "
bucketz wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:07 PM:
" Yes, kbg, because all democrats want to give their money away to lazy people who don't want to work. I went to college, worked hard and got a decent job. But that's not satisfying enough. I want to give all my money to a welfare case with 6 kids. That's what all democrats want to do. "
kbg23 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:50 PM:
" RE: Please
And please don't bring the bible into this. I am not arguing religion. It is my choice to not want to pay more taxes to feed and cloth lazy people. I am fine with supporting people in NEED. There is a big difference. But there is also personal responsibilty. I went to college, worked hard to get a decent job. I don't see anyone in this country that doesn't have that same option with financial aid. "
kbg23 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:47 PM:
" RE: please
No, my own party didn't run this country into the ground. Do you forget who controls the senate? They are ALL politicans and do I like either? Not really. But I will pick the one I can afford. At least when I spend extra money on gas its going in my car, and not to some welfare case that has six kids. "
totbom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:18 PM:
" Don't worry, Balanced Budget, you'll get the old McCain back if he becomes president. As you said, he's just trying to appease the right. He's no more a conservative than Ted Kennedy. If he gets into office it will be McCain/Leiberman running things. Palin will not be allowed to set foot in the Oval Office. She will be nothing more than cerimonial window dressing. McCain's trophy VP. "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:17 PM:
" RE: PHIL
Perhaps if these businesses that you speak of, paid a decent, living wage to it's employees, many more people would be helping to support the government. "
RealityCheck wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:32 PM:
" yea right Phil, look at the states with the highest unemployment rates for 2007, and of which all three are still in the top 5 for June 2008: Michigan, Mississippi, and Alaska. Now who is governor of Alaska?? "
balanced budget wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 PM:
" McCain stopped being himself after he got the nomination. He moved to the right to appease his party and in doing so lost independent votes from people like me. Why John Why? I want the old McCain back damn it. "
PHIL OSIFER wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:06 PM:
" You people are a hoot, yes the economy lost 84000 jobs. IN BLUE states where there are democrate governors and mayors.Also a lot of the jobs came from the media newspapers in Milwaukee [Journal/Sentinel]Chicago [Tribune]New York [the Times] etc. Government expands we need more taxes more taxes mean less business Keep it up and cities will have no industries to support the Government "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:04 PM:
" When Palin took the Mayors position Wasilla had NO debt/// When She left They had a 22M million Dollar Debt "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:50 PM:
" When Palin took the Mayor position in wasilla ,The town had a surplus , You can google this story somehow , She cut taxes and shifted the burden and now they are paying off Palins Deficit years after She left the town "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:28 PM:
" To enuff:
Go rickey!
BTW, Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it!
"Media ignore "bridge to nowhere" falsehood in Palin speech, despite having previously flagged it"
"Moreover, the claim that she "told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' " is false, not only because Alaska kept the money, but because, as The Daily Howler's Bob Somerby noted, while appropriating the funds, Congress had abdicated responsibility for how they would be spent a full year before Palin was elected governor. "
http://mediamatters.org/items/200809040019?f=h_latest "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:23 PM:
" It's the economy, you stupid Republicans!
"A sharp and surprising jump in the unemployment rate reported Friday makes it likely the economy will remain front and center in a hotly contested presidential campaign just entering its final stage."
"The unemployment rate in August jumped to 6.1 percent, the highest level in five years, from 5.7 percent in July, the government reported. Businesses cut 84,000 jobs the eighth month in a row of shrinking payrolls."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26546938
Republicans bungle the economy yet again. Hoover would be proud of them! "
enuffalready wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:22 PM:
" Big Spender:
You are getting to sound just like Rickey. (That is not necessarily a good thing.) :) "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:20 PM:
" "McCain slammed his own party for having 'lost the trust of the American people' over eight years in office through corruption scandals and partisan politics."
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1428934.php/McCain_promises_"change%22_slams_his_own_party__3rd_Roundup__
Republican Abramoff got four years in the pokey yesterday, I wonder what Mr. Mike says about that? "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:18 PM:
" McCain picked a kook:
"Palin's secession flirtation"
"For years she has courted the Alaska Independence Party, which wants to split the state from the U.S."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column "
Big Spender wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:17 PM:
" Regarding "Huebsch: Palin won over skeptics," well, apparently not all of them:
quote
After a segment with NBC's Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan were caught on a live mike ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.
"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.
"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this excuse me political b******t about narratives," she said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."
end quote
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html " "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:16 PM:
" re: kbg
And as long as you mentioned the Bible, let's stick to some of the important lessons in that book; like HELPING OTHERS, love your neighbor as thyself; something you seem to be so against. You can't pick and choose what you like from the Bible. Read the whole thing. Not just the parts that suit you. "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:14 PM:
" Re: kbg
Spoken like a true Republican. "Well, look at what THEY are doing..." nevermind that your own party has run this country into the ground. Address the issues that your own party has created instead of pointing fingers and changing the subject.
And by the way, I didn't even hear Obama's speech. I don't need a flashy speech to sell me on the idea of "it's broke--fix it." "
enuffalready wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:58 AM:
" To: Please
I agree. Just look at how well Senator Obama did that same exact thing. Since you seem to agree with his views, then I'm sure that you think his speech was just great. "
kbg23 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:40 AM:
" RE: LAX
" She made an impression alright -- she's a cranky, right-wing Bible-thumping, home-schooling, anti-women, anti-union, anti-poor and anti-just about everything that is good and decent about this country."
Well at least she isn't all about feeding the poor with a silver spoon. Take some repsonsibilty for yourselves Libs so the rest of us can stop paying for your welfare. Last I checked there was nothing in the bible that wasn't "good" for this country. "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:59 AM:
" 84,000 lost jobs last month . Four more years of the same was also not mentioned.This Republican misery needs to stop "
bucketz wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:31 AM:
" Mack is right. How many times do we have to see the picture of him in his flight gear? Every time his name is mentioned that pictures is there. He was in the military 40 years ago, we get it. "
Mack wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:16 AM:
" McCain's legacy as a POW and a maverick is being overshadowed by his talking about being a POW and a maverick at every opportunity. How about a plan, or even a clue to a plan? "
Grant wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:56 AM:
" I was amazed ,Did any hear the words Middle class,Bear market ,BUSH,Rising unemployment, or CHENEY in the 4 days? , Why was it Bush and Cheney not at the convention? "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Did every protester have an Obama shirt or Just 1 or 2 ? "
JD5400 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:23 AM:
" It was hard to tell Little Rickey Boy, but after extensive research, wearing Obama shirts on TV gave it away. And no, I actually kind of like Ron Paul. "
please wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:15 AM:
" Anyone can deliver a speech that someone else wrote for them; as long as they have a flair for the dramatics. "
rocket wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:11 AM:
" I hardly doubt the protestors arrested this week can be labeled Democrats. These are anarchists who would hate any president and dislike this country. "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:02 AM:
" To JD5400 , How do You Know that they were Liberal Left , Can You prove it? Maybe they were concerned about the 10 billion a month spent on Iraq , I assume Ron Paul is also from the Liberal Left! "
JD5400 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:57 AM:
" As your "typical white person", I was certainly impressed with McCain's speech. I was also impressed with the class the liberal left showed by smashing out windows, lighting cars on fire, attacking police, and storming into the convention in the middle of a speech. That's a great way to show you are in favor of peace. "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:55 AM:
" Passing the down syndrome infant around during the speech at least impressed some people "
Grant wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:28 AM:
" I was impressed by the Republicans , How they made an issue of Monica and Bill Then Have Hyporcrits like John and Rudy on the stage Then cheering on a pregnant 17 Year old unmarried girl on the stage and then call themselves the party of family values "
LAX wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:19 AM:
" She made an impression alright -- she's a cranky, right-wing Bible-thumping, home-schooling, anti-women, anti-union, anti-poor and anti-just about everything that is good and decent about this country. And Huebsch (and McCain)ought to be ashamed for supporting this angry little person. If you are aren't white, rich and republican, then Huebsch, McCain, Palin couldn't care less about you. If you're an oil company or other corporation, McSame is all for you...Enough is enough! No way, no how, No McCain/McPalin... "
possom133 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:49 AM:
" Speak for yourself Mikey I had to choke it back down when I was watching the blather. "
possom133 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:41 AM:
" classy but clueless Dude "
wingdam wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:05 AM:
" When youre a graduate of Oral Roberts U you have already demonstrated a complete lack of critical thinking.
Mike is one of the hidden extreme religious wing-nuts that are trying to take over what used to be a free country and turn it into a Christian Iran.
Anyone who thinks that Palin is anything other than a tool of the extreme religious right is in for a big surprise!
Its too bad that the Trib has never questioned Mike about his religious views. "
Rickey wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:55 AM:
" It also looked like the people on Wall Street was impressed yesterday .. NOT ... What caused the Problam there ? "
Just Some Dude wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:45 AM:
" Not much to worry about, Like McCain siad if you don't listen to the "ground noise and static" you will realize that there are more republicans than democrats. That is all that matters, they are louder and protest more, but there is more of us, we are just classy aobut it, that is the difference. "
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