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Published - Wednesday, October 01, 2008

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Dan Springer: Drunk and stupid is a nasty combination


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Drunken stupidity ran rampant this first weekend of Oktoberfest.

Take, for example, the two college-age guys who decided to steal a manhole cover from the 800 block of Pine Street.
A resident of the area who saw the pair struggling to lift the metal disk called police after seeing which direction they’d gone.

While police stood guard to make sure no one fell into the open manhole, other officers paid the guys a visit.

They confessed and apologized. “It was just drunken stupidity,” one told the officers.

It also boggles the mind to see the number of people free on bond or probation who manage to do really stupid stuff in public that lands them back in jail.

There’s the guy who caught an officer’s attention by relieving himself behind a vehicle ... during the Maple Leaf Parade.

The cop later learned the guy was out on bond — with a no-drinking condition.

In a similar incident, another fella was downtown with thousands of other festers when he, too, decided he had to empty his bladder but didn’t want to go inside, so he walked into the alley. Same outcome.

I’ll grant you that if ever there was a time a person might get away with

violating a no-drinking condition, it would be Oktoberfest weekend, where it’s easy to blend into the crowd.

That is, until you wander off alone and catch the eye of the hundreds of police officers and security personnel patrolling the area.

The guy I did feel sorry for was a 22-year-old out on probation who was having a few beers at Saturday’s parade.

Unfortunately, he looked young for his age, so an officer asked to see an ID.

Now, he’s back in jail.

Worth Mentioning

I want to give a tip of the hat to the La Crosse Fire Department’s Combat Challenge Team — James Hillcoat, Jesse Walters, Blane Neher and Adam Markert — for finishing as the top Wisconsin team in the Midwest Regional Combat Challenge in Milwaukee earlier this month.

The Challenge showcases firefighter fitness. Wearing full gear and a breathing apparatus, competitors go through a series of tasks that include climbing a five-story tower, hoisting, chopping, dragging hoses and rescuing a life-sized, 175-pound “victim” as they race against themselves, their opponent and the clock.

The La Crosse team was seventh among 16 teams from throughout the Midwest. Individually, Hillcoat placed fifth among 121 competitors and broke the 1:40 mark for the first time, placing him in the Combat Challenge Lion’s Den.

Congratulations to the team — the hard work paid off.
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antieverything wrote on Oct 1, 2008 4:46 PM:

" People, People, People. Relax...Its just Dan Springer knowing he could prove people read is mush. The more we post the more his job is justified. "

wiseup wrote on Oct 1, 2008 10:18 AM:

" No question about it. This behavior happens every weekend in EVERY city acrossed the WORLD! Try to blame Oktoberfest and alcohol? How about more restrooms? "

Katie wrote on Oct 1, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Don't blame Oktoberfest. I lived downtown for almost three years and these stupid drunk people are down there every weekend of the year. People urinating in public, stealing things, and just being stupid...yup sounds like a normal weekend in downtown La Crosse. How about instead of blaming Oktoberfest you start making people take PERSONAL responsibility for their actions? Oh.. but then people would need to admit they have drinking problems and that downtown La Crosse is gross..and it's so much easier to just say "It's Oktoberfest's fault!" "

The Real Paladin wrote on Oct 1, 2008 5:07 AM:

" Doubtful there Homley Girl. Drunk doesn't have to mean blotto, unless of course you're stupid, and neither does it mean I have to be outside the confines of my home. "

HOME GIRL wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:58 PM:

" And I do agree with "Cough Corner". It is all about choices. Had I had the opportunity, I would have attended the Parade and, as usual, avoided the FestGrounds. I feel for me and my family, that is no place for us. The few years I was able to attend the Parade were very enjoyable. And to those who feel the LCPD are less than adaquate, the year I was "great with child" (2000), a LCPD officer watched me very closely to make sure that me and my baby were alright and safe. She probably does not remember that, but I have always been grateful. To her, "Thank you". "

HOME GIRL wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:53 PM:

" To: "The Real Paladin"
'I may be drunk, but you all are stupid and in the morning, I'll be sober.'
Well, I may be "stupid" (which I AM NOT), but at least I remember what I did last night - even if it was boring. You may wake up in jail or worse, in the hospital because your drinking helped you do something even more stupid than you claim I am. God have mercy. "

Coughin Corner wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:42 PM:

" The bottom line is this....as long as Octoberfest makes money for the city of LaCrosse, it's not going ANYWHERE! It's all about the money, like everything else. If this festival ever starts to NOT make money, it will be gone, but I doubt that will ever happen so you may as well either get used to drunk, stupid people, or stay away from the fest. Life's about choices. There's your choices. "

balanced budget wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Worst Article EVER. Why would you feel bad for a 22 year old who broke the law? Firefighters????????? "

ambassador wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:44 PM:

" Lighten up a bit, Mr. Springer. Good story and sadly it's probably the truth. But you work at the Trib. which means you probably live in the La Crosse area. There are also many good and positive things going on at Oktberfest. Please write about those things next time. Don't chase people away. Draw them to La Crosse. "

truthful wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Oktoberfest will continue to encourage drinking because that is where they make the money at the Fest. The more people drink, the more brain cells they kill, hence they don't even know or care how much money they have spent. Spending all that to act like an obnoxious, sickening fool.

The young drunks seem to think they are cool and don't want to hear the truth. "

castafly wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:24 PM:

" Oktoberfest is a great family event. I didn't witness one out of control drunk on the parade route. There were drunks, but none of them were out of control. Stay out of the downtown bars and you won't have any problems. Downtown is were all the action is. "

love lax wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:48 PM:

" 4aimeers, I agree 100% w/ your comment. I went to the parade, as I usually do and I did have a great time and I was not drinking. Some others around me were, but no problems. It IS what you make of it and sometimes you only see what you want to see. Live on OKTOBERFEST! "

The Real Paladin wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:22 PM:

" I may be drunk, but you all are stupid and in the morning, I shall be sober. "

D. Ray wrote on Sep 30, 2008 6:48 PM:

" It's time to get rid of Oktoberfest. It's completely ridiculous. "

thingamajig wrote on Sep 30, 2008 6:41 PM:

" I thought Octoberfest was suppose to be a family thing? Not a drinking brawl to find out who can get the drunkest and make asses of themselves! In my 14 years, living in the La Crosse area, I have been there once! I swore I would never go again. I haven't either! I was hit in the head with a beer bottle. My kids didn't like it either. They kept asking why those people were acting the way they were. Can't La Crosse have one fest that doesn't include alcohol? Can't people have fun without drinking? I admitt, I drink, but, not to the point of violence and stupidity!! "

Feelslikehome wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:51 PM:

" personally Im quit disscussted and offended that you had to put an Honor that our Local Firefighters earned at the bottom of a story pertaining to drunken stuipidity. Is this really what our paper is coming to how but we put that article first and skip the article about the drunks we all know they are out there and we discuss is to we are blue in the face every year at this time and what gets done nothing its the same every year come on Springer "

theblob wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:41 PM:

" pizza lover (aka chicken little -the sky is falling) -you are a classic whiner and dope, because you talk to ONE cop, you claim "the police in this town suck", really good logic. If you said to cop, 'these drunks broke my stuff and I want them charged' , is ALOT different than whining about pathetic drunks and their 'criminal' loud car stereos. Drunks and the idiots go hand and hand. "

4aimeers wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:33 PM:

" This year was no worse or different than the past 30 years. I have missed 1 Oktoberfest since I was 4 and am now bringing my children to the parade. We sat next to some very interactive college students, yet they were respectful and we all had a good time. It's what you make of it....so, have some fun and let it go already!!! PS-I had 1 sip of an alcoholic beverage while at the parade-why, because I know how to be responsible! "

polewog wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Urinating in public is illegal? REALLY?!! But, I thought our Chief of Police told the city council that his officers hands were tied when it came to "pissing in public"....all in an effort to sell his ridiculous public intoxication ordinance.

Rather than question the need for the ordinance, the Tribune staff ignored the outright lies that were being told by the city's leaders.

People were drunk during Oktoberfest? Yea...that's news. "

rfield wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:12 PM:

" HOME GIRL: First of all it was the Coon Creek Canoe Races. Secondly, the Coon Creek weekend became an excuse to come to La Crosse and drink, party and riot. Most of the people that were actually in the races stayed in Coon Valley. The people in the riots that were arrested were not participating in the event. The canoe races were stopped to stop the extra people from coming to La Crosse to party. It is a shame because the actual event was a great event. "

nancybotwin wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:08 PM:

" This is news worthy..... two guys took a piss? Seriously... I would say this town is in pretty darn good shape if the worst offenders where two guys taking a piss. LMFAO... and to think... you all get all worked up about this. Seriously.. who knew there were so many prudes in LaCrosse... who give a ***** if people just wanna have a good time.... just because your old and aren't any fun doesn't mean everyone else has to sit around with their panties in a bundle! "

HOME GIRL wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Kickapoo Canoe races cancelled because of people acting irresponsibilly (sp) when drinking too much? If that is so, then why would Octoberfest be any different. Oh, I would encourage them to continue with family-centered activities like the parade, but all that drinking? It is why we obstain from attending. Anyway, just a thought. And I am saddened to hear about the events at Logan. Why do things like that have to happen? "

Pizza lover wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:51 AM:

" The police in this town suck! I had a problem at my store with a bunch of drunks breaking stuff. I ask the cop if there was anything we can do about the drunk problem. His exact words were Why, that's what LaCrosse is all about. Between the pathetic drunks and the idiots driving around with the music you can here a half a mile away, this town is gonna get worse and worse and the crime will be off the charts. With the robbery's getting more frequent and the drinking getting out of control, it won't be safe to walk the streets. It all starts with parents controlling their kids. That's not gonna change, now you go to jail if you discipline your kid. LaCrosse and this entire country are in a downfall and it's picking up speed. The government is the reason for it. "

Consider This wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:48 AM:

" new world order
wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:46 AM:

" To 'Consider This:' Who cares? That's not news worthy to me, or to a lot of other people either. "


It should be, for you to not recognize that a gang beating at a school is MUCH MORE important to the community that any Oktoberfest story shows you lack of intelligence. "

tgjdsr wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:46 AM:

" This event may bring out the drunk and stupid in people but this is no different than any other weekend here in La Crosse. Granted the population more than doubles during this event and the odds of actually witnessing these types of behavior become much more apparent but blaming the fest for it is not the reason behind peoples behavior. It's sad that people can't find enjoyment in such events without the satisfaction of getting "drunk and stupid." "

please wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Re: The Shining
I don't think there's anything wrong with Oktoberfest besides the fact that contrary to what they claim, the city DOES encourage drunken behavior. Opening the festivities with the tapping of a keg, for one. And two, closing off the streets downtown pretty much says, "Well, we don't encourage binge drinking but if it's going to happen, at least we have them enclosed in a corral." That makes those downtown even LESS responsible knowing they don't even have to "look both ways" before crossing a street. I realize it is for their safety but I believe it perpetuates the very problem we claim we want to solve. "

Willie wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Isn't it ironic that many of those perpetrating the drunken stupidity are supposed to be participating in institutions of "higher learning"? I know they aren't the only ones, but they sure don't set a very good example. "

The Shining wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:16 AM:

" I think it's long past due that there be NO MORE OKTOBERFEST. La Crosse has seen enough of the drunken idiots and inbreds that completely ruin the event. "

oldglorydays wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:00 AM:

" The only difference between Oktoberfest and the rest of the year are the numbers of obnoxious drunks out causing problems. I was bored Saturday night so I walked from downtown to UW-L and back between 9 and 10 PM. I lost count of the drunks whooping and shouting up and down 3rd St and beyond. Drunks falling down and puking or pissing in the alleys and streets. A drunk driver hit a parked car and drove a half block with the right front wheel jammed into the frame before stopping. House parties with loud music and drunks. A drunk couple shouting at each other about who know what. And of course broken glass and empty alcoholic containers and other trash everywhere. "

please wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Dan Springer; don't feel sorry for a guy "having a couple beers". If he's on probation and not supposed to be drinking, that's his problem. Talk to any staggering drunk and ask them how much they've had to drink: just "a couple beers". "

new world order wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:46 AM:

" To 'Consider This:' Who cares? That's not news worthy to me, or to a lot of other people either. "

SP0506 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:41 AM:

" Its not the fault of Oktoberfest or any other fest we have in town. Its about personal responsibility. Oktoberfest (and alcohol for that matter) has been around for years and years. But for some reason, some people are becoming more and more irresponsible. They ruin it for the rest of us who can handle the beer and festivities. "

Consider This wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:01 AM:

" WHERE is the story about the massive GANG beating that happened at Logan yesterday? Liaison officer had to call for backup, high-speed chase of the punks, where is this story Tribune Editorial board? "

rfield wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:49 AM:

" that should be "none of them" not "any of them" "

rfield wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:48 AM:

" lesdent, it's great that you are making the most of your second chance! I was pointing out that people blame Oktoberfest for this, but it happens even if Oktoberfest is not going on at the time. These guys on probation - any of them aren't making the most of their second chance. If you have a no-drinking condition on your bond or probation, don't drink. "

lesdent wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:42 AM:

" why is it all people do on this is whine and complain, no one ever discusses the issues, its always about race, or throwing away the key on people who make a mistake, every one deserves a second chance, i got one and am now a productive member of society. I think the trib should only allow comments on stories that are contriversial and or important not blazay stories that are just here to fill space. So whiners get a pair or go away. "

ellie1948 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:41 AM:

" B.S. you must be the most hatefull human being i have ever seen all you post is negative crap it is awfull going thru life with that CHIP on your shoulder lighten up lifes to short... "

rfield wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:34 AM:

" This isn't Oktoberfest's fault. This drunken stupidity excuse has been used very recently in a theft of a wheel chair. Go downtown any weekend night and you'll find someone relieving themselves in the alley. They just don't get caught. And to feel sorry for the 22 year old breaking his probation? I'm sorry that right there is one of the reasons that this town has such a drinking problem. "Oh come on man, he was just having a few beers in the street, while he's on probation." Nice double standard Dan. "

Big Spender wrote on Sep 30, 2008 6:01 AM:

" Remember recent Trib articles implying that Achtungfest is a family-friendly event? Yeah, right. "


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