illiminnesconi wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:28 PM:
" I'll answer Phil what Obama has done. I lived in IL and he didn't do anything but support raising taxes. He's just as inexperienced as Palin. I'm sick of hearing "What if McCain dies Well what if Biden dies? The result would be the same; therefore it's moot! Please point out what he has done and maybe I'll sway but I doubt anyone could come up with something good. Biden didn't even originally support Obama! Lieberman supported McCain! Doesn't that tell you something? It does to me! "
Chris King wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:14 AM:
" All I have to say is that Palin's debate re-framed the argument against Obama!
We will now begin to see commercials and a concerted effort to warn Americans about the true world-view of Barack. There will be renewed sound and video regarding Obama's associations with radical, left-wing criminals and terrorists, as well as the Marxist and Communist influences that Obama first made known in his first book!
I would say with about 90% certainty, that this is the beginning of Obama's loss! America is still a center-right nation, and at least for now, we will not elect a socialist/Marxist/quasi-communist, sympathizing, apologizing for America, messiah-complex having Presidential candidate! " "
davidinlse wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:01 AM:
" RE: clyde wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:49 AM:
Thank you for the cut and paste posting's from Murdock and his soapbox, FOX news and WSJ. "
clyde wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:58 AM:
" Joe Biden voted against the Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline because it would take 10 years to build.
Joe Biden voted against the Trans-Alaska/Canada Gas Pipeline to bring CNG to the lower 48 which Sarah Palin pushed through as Gov. because it would cost too much and would take to long to build.
Joe Biden voted against off shore and ANWR drilling because it would take to long to get any oil to refineries. If it takes too long why not start NOW?
This is the one with experience, THE ONE withOUT experience is going to look to for advice? "
clyde wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:57 AM:
" Joe Biden has 30 years of foreign policy experience in being WRONG.
He voted to cut support for South Viet Nam which led to it's fall to the communists and the murder of US loyalist, the Cambodian killing fields and including the continuing plight and persecution of the Hmong.
He voted to cut support for the Contra Freedom fighters in Nicaragua which cost lives and extended the move towards democracy. He voted for the war before he voted against it. He repeatedly has tried to cut and run in Iraq like Viet Nam and put in jeopardy the lives of countless Iraqis who have worked with the US and why should 26 million Iraqis have democracy any way? "
clyde wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:52 AM:
" "Obama-Biden will lower capital gains taxes on small businesses", yet small businesses do not pay capital gains taxes, "Americans wont pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan", the rate was 28% with Reagan, Obama-Biden will raise to 35%. "Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska", she changed oil company payment system to go to the state not political cronies pockets, no windfall profits tax, McCain voted the exact same way as Obama to increase taxes on those earning just $42,000, Obama voted YES, McCain voted NO, "We should go to war with Pakistan because their nuclear missiles can hit Israel"? Just because Biden said McCains name more often than Palin said Obama should not mean Biden won. "
clyde wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:49 AM:
" It is TOO bad that when scoring a debate truth is not taken in to consideration. Palin miss-spoke the name of the commander of the troops in Afghanistan. Sen. Biden scored his stunning victory with no fewer than 16 false facts, if he were GW Bush one might call them lies. He confused the West Bank for Gaza, "French deposed a regime in Lebanon"?, "Article One enumerates the powers of the Executive Branch"?, the only responsibility of the VP is to vote to break a tie?, "McCain weakened regulation on Fannie and Freddie", McCain proposed more control in 2005, "McCain was dead wrong on Iraq, yet the surge strategy has been proven right. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:24 AM:
" As for Bush being more evil than the perpetrators of 9/11, no, I do not believe that.
Bush's Administration was only tragically inept and inefficient, not evil. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:20 AM:
" I thought the FBI worked for the president.
I see that I did fail to notice the HTML tag. Although one could rationally argue that anyone who still supports Bush's policies must be joking. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:50 AM:
" Some of my comment about Blue State Bruce's confession read badly, so I'll post it again clearer.
Blue state Bruce believes Bush is more evil than the 19 Islamic terrorists (who believe it is a religious duty to kill unbelievers) and who actually flew planes into buildings and killed 3000 people.
That shows you a key to Obama's followers. They ignore the facts of 9/11 and would rather believe conspiracy. They have more hate or fear of George Bush/Republicans than Islamic terrorism. Apparently their leader, Barack Hussein Obama, inforces these beliefs, that's why they follow him.
It's scary what some American's are willing to follow. Watch the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3v7Vsg3uY&NR=1) of the children singing Obama's praises and you'll see a rebirth of what was going on in Germany in the 1930's. Also watch this video of Obamabots: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d1_1222994202 "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:33 AM:
" What's funny is that my humor post got more responses from people who apparently choose not to read the whole post and see that it was humor. (/humor indicates, in an html way, that the humor is over.) Another indicator that Obama followers have no sense of humor or don't read all of the information. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:32 AM:
" What interesting responses. I asked some serious but simple questions and get only one answer from Blue state Bruce.
The question was "Do you believe that 9/11 was caused by Islamic terrorists or George W. Bush?"
Blue state believes that Bush knew about the terrorist attack but decided not to stop them. At least on that question, Blue state honestly shows that he will believe something without facts or proof that demonizes our President more than the people who want to saw our heads off. That explains alot on why Blue state will believe what Obama says. Thanks Bruce for telling us about yourself. "
Chris King wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:16 AM:
" All I have to say is that Palin's debate re-framed the argument against Obama!
We will now begin to see commercials and a concerted effort to warn Americans about the true world-view of Barack. There will be renewed sound and video regarding Obama's associations with radical, left-wing criminals and terrorists, as well as the Marxist and Communist influences that Obama first made known in his first book!
I would say with about 90% certainty, that this is the beginning of Obama's loss! America is still a center-right nation, and at least for now, we will not elect a socialist/Marxist/quasi-communist, sympathizing, apologizing for America, messiah-complex having Presidential candidate! "
JPSieloff wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:23 PM:
" Justice--Use the forfeiture statutes and confiscate planes, castles, property and cash from the criminals which caused this bailout. CEO of WAMU--on the job for 3 weeks then bankrupt-reward: 15 million. Heads of Wachovia-left with 27 million, 19 million and 17 million. The statues are used very successfully if one is caught w/ dope on a yacht--bye-bye Yacht. Use the funds to help pay off the bailout--proceeds garnered from the fraud. Use it also to get Bush's buddy Lay's property--why should his widow enjoy his fraud at the expense of his employees, shareholders and pensioners? Or has the bill come due from all the "support" they gave through the years to both parties? Investigate and prosecute now. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:58 PM:
" On the other hand, now that the banks are being bailed out by the government, we can all get loans from the Uncle Sam! What a mavericky idea! "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 PM:
" Yeah, the GOVERNMENT made the bad loans, yeah, THAT'S THE TICKET!
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yTdEBwiHM
PrivateSectorSellsYourASSETS&YourKidsASSETS2China-
ThenUsesItsGoldenParachuteToJumpToSafetyWhile-
GivingYouTheBird "
*PrivateSectorDoesIt Better* wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:38 PM:
" To Blue State Bruce: If the *PrivateSectorDoesItBetter' why does it need my government tax dollars to bail it out?
This economic meltdown is caused by the GOVERNMENT, i.e. the Democratic Party.
These two videos may open your eyes, but I doubt it since you drink the Democrat Kool-aid, OH YEAH!
Everyone needs to view these videos before election day!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=658_1222431921
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1823928/bill_oreilly_vs_barney_frank_smackdown/ "
JPSieloff wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:38 PM:
" "Maverick" is a term which originated from Samuel Maverick, a Texas rancher who refused to brand his cattle or fence them in. His descendants included several liberal politicians, including Maury Maverick Jr., a friend of FDR and a San Antonio mayor, accomplished writer and columnist. Their living descendants are very mad that John would try to muddy their name. Something happened to John after the Rovian strategy in So. Carolina during the 2000 Primaries--he became lock step w/ George "all hat no cattle" Bush and Chaney. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:05 PM:
" He's mavericky. "
Get Real wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:47 PM:
" Great stats Phil.
Out of people who are currently looking at their own colon. McCain holds a 82% to 17% lead with one percent undecided. Out of people who don't know how many houses they own he holds a 97% to 0% lead with three too rich to answer a poor man's questions. Out of people who think Palin was the sheriff in the movie Fargo, he hold a 72% to 17% lead with 11% undecided. Quote some stats that mean something. Felons can't vote so that is really a stupid comment. Maybe you can get a job instead of being Master Bates to Rush all day. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:29 PM:
" Also, let's not forget that McCain is 'mavericky.'
I think it's Palin's favorite word. Although I doubt that John McCain is the first 'mavericky' man in history, as his campaign ads suggest.
Maybe that's part of his mavericky style. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 PM:
" Did I mention that Obama's middle name is Hussein?
Lots of people have that name. Some of them nice, some not so nice. I think the people who are writing about Hussein want you to associate the man running for president with the bad ones.
(Just in case you missed it the other umpteen times that dead horse has been beaten.) "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:19 PM:
" If the 'PrivateSectorDoesItBetter' why does it need my government tax dollars to bail it out? "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:17 PM:
" Guess I've had my 'Phil' o' B.S. for the day. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:16 PM:
" Did I mention that I am a proud citizen of this nation? :) "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:14 PM:
" Interesting that I support Obama since I:
Own my own home
Pay lots of taxes
Go to work every weekday
Serve my community in important ways "
Blue State Bruce wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:11 PM:
" I think it was 19 terrorists that GW Bush was warned about ahead of time. He failed to act when he could have to protect the American people. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:10 PM:
" Among 562 likely voters in Ohio, PA, and Colorado, McCain enjoys a 7% edge.
Key groups breakdown as follows:
The poll found Obama enjoying substantial support among women who previously had abortions, convicted felons, and individuals who derive 75% or more of their income from public assistance programs.
McCain drew higher support among people who describe themselves as "proud americans," people who own anything of value, and typical white people.
McCain 53%
Obama 46%
/humor "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:57 PM:
" A few more questions to davidinlse and never cease to amaze me and icanseemymommyfrommyxbox:
Was the 9/11 attack on America the fault of George W. Bush or 19 Islamic terrorists?
Do you believe that the US Government is or has tried to kill off the Black race by doing any of the following: Creating AIDs and forcing it onto Black society, forcing drugs onto Black society, preventing Blacks from getting jobs, intentionally imprisoning Blacks at a higher rate out of prejudice? "
Hudson wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:53 PM:
" to: *PrivateSectorDoesItBetter* LOL. Great observation. How about those teeth? I'm pretty sure they glow in the dark. Is it a special paint he finds at Home Depot? "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:48 PM:
" I'll revist a few questions...
Name one time in either Illinois or Washington where Barack Hussein Obama brought people togather and changed the system.
If a person doesn't pay income taxes, yet they get money from someone else who did pay taxes, how is that not 'redistribution of wealth'?
How is Barack Hussein Obama going to tax the Oil companies without having the oil companies just past that added cost right back on us consumers?
What specific 'tax loopholes' are being violated by what companies, and what exactly is Barack Hussein Obama going to do about it? "
*PrivateSectorDoesIt Better* wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:46 PM:
" Anyone else notice that Joe "Plugs" Biden was wearing cosmetic tape to lift his eyes. I couldn't stop laughing. He looked like a Klingon from Star Trek, LOL. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:43 PM:
" Why am I not surprised? I ask some relatively simple questions based on what Barack Hussein Obama has said, and not one of his loyal worshipers even tries to answer. It's either that they don't really know of any details to what their messiah says or they realize that the details of what he says reveals him to be a liar or just another tax and spend democrat. Or maybe it's simpler than that...they just have faith that Obama will perform miracles. I guess if your person has no substance than you divert your opponent with name calling. "
Gunny wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:51 PM:
" Great responses here. typical democrat bull. If you can't win an argument call everyone else names and come up with plenty of lies. What is really great is that now Miden,Viden or Bidin whatever might be able to say yes sir master for the next 4 years. Like Obama keeps saying, CHANGE, or is it turn about is fair play. I love his 95% deal. 5% of the population according to him is going to support the entire U.S. In reality, he is just trying to pad his pocket like he did his wife's when she got the big raise. "
CommonSense wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:50 PM:
" Why does Obama have so many people at his rallies, and McCain so many less? Because McCain supporters are at work! It is pretty easy to have thousands on hand when the majority of your supporters are government supported welfare recipients or school kids bussed in by the NEA! "
kay27 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:43 PM:
" At least Biden can form a complete and coherent sentence without being coached. Did you catch Palin's interview with Katie Couric? She looked like a complete idiot. He didn't come off looking too bright with his FDR comment, but at least he made some sense.
Her sentences cannot even be diagrammed: http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/ "
Hudson wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:24 PM:
" So, kay27, you're comfortable with a VP "a heartbeat away" from the presidency who thinks that FDR was president in 1929 AND he came on the TELEVISION to speak to America about the stock market crash?
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/15606/
What flavor Kool-Aid do you prefer? "
kay27 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:30 PM:
" I was very impressed with the responses of Joe Biden. Especially the fact that he actually responded to all of the questions that were asked of him.
Some of you say that Sarah Palin took control of the debate by talking about what she wanted to talk about it. I see it differently. What I saw was someone that didn't have an answer and reverted to what she was coached on and therefore more comfortable talking about.
I want a VP that can give straight answers and doesn't act like a toy robot. I want a VP that will be more respected in the global community. The VP is a heartbeat away from the presidency and I would much rather have Obama and Biden then McCain and Palin. "
Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:20 PM:
" to davidinlse...Spelling is important. Senator Osama... Obama. No diff. "
Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:17 PM:
" OMG davey! You make this too easy! Wish I could stop laughing long enough to respond. Seriously, stay away from the big words like...YOUR. Typo problem again? Sad thing is you have no clue as to what I'm talking about! Hint: dictionary.com YOU'RE welcome! "
davidinlse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:10 PM:
" RE: Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:40 PM:
Sorry your not bright enough to comprehend what a blog is. Now run along to oldspinster.com and get on with your spelling bee. "
Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:40 PM:
" to davidinlse 1:43 pm...Your problem is more than typos! As demonstrated by the use of the possessive word "Republican's"! Blaming that on a typo too? (Note the correct use of the word too :P) One thing you have mastered in the true democratic fashion: the blame game. When your ignorance is showing, always find an excuse to cover it up! "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:55 PM:
" I believe she said she has been where we are, barely making ends meet. I don't understand how she was talking down to you. Is it because she has a personality? Is that what scares you about her? You didn't like her telling your liberal moderator that she doesn't really care what she thinks of her answers, she is taking control of the debate? What else would you want from leader? To be pushed around by the moderator?
She did great and you guys are jelous. Get over it.
Instead of trying to bash her, you should be talking about how well Biden did as well. he was very respectful of McCain and acted first class, instead of bashing Palin, maybe you should focus on that, it might be more productive. "
JPSieloff wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:48 PM:
" I thought Ms. Palin has a "photogenic" memory, unable to say anything beyond talking points well rehearsed, except to occasionally talk down to us in her hillbilly, country western dialect-which the media loves and the reality show watching public connects. Alaska is not the USA, she is not "just like us" unless we all have unlimited health insurance, 24 hour nanny care for our children, money from the Gov't for just residing in a State, etc. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:47 PM:
" never cease to amaze me
wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:11 PM:
You missed my point. You guys rip on Palin because she doesn't sound like you.
What if we ripped on Obama because he doesn't look like us?
The point is it is irrelevant IN BOTH CASES. If that is all you have to say about not liking her, you are an idiot......that is my point.
Democrats= the party that accepts everyone............as long as they agree with them.
What a joke. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:40 PM:
" Ever wonder how we got in this situation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxgSubmiGt8 "
Mack wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:32 PM:
" It's gonna take a lot of lipstick. "
please wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:13 PM:
" Uh, soundy? Perhaps "W" should have changed that if he disagreed with it, you think? "
never cease to amaze me wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:11 PM:
" RE: Common Sense
wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:19 AM:
" Dude said,
Have you seen/heard Obama........now that is a JOKE! "
Yeah,ah, ah, Dude, y' know, ah, Obama seems to have ah, ah, y' know a bit if a ah, y' know, speech, ah, problem sometimes himself. "
The reason Obama talks like that is that he is trying to lure in all the dumb republicans. You want to talk about his speaking, look at Bush, the guy has the mental capacity of a 4th grader...just like most other republicans "
The Real Paladin wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:10 PM:
" Having just read the last 116 comments posted here, I'm frightened that some of you are actually allowed to vote. "
quay wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:28 PM:
" Republicans are creepy and sum are scum
http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/ "
tribreader1 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:14 PM:
" Palin did absolutely nothing last night to convince me that she is qualified or able to perform the duties of Vice President, let alone as President. Not during one minute of that debate did she come across as a serious, professional or intelligent woman. As a woman, I was offended that instead of answering questions, she chose to smile pretty and wink at the camera. I stand by my opinion that she sounded uneducated. Her enunciation was atrocious and it was certainly not befitting of someone who is campaigning for the 2nd highest office in this country. "
davidinlse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM:
" Re; Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:00 PM: Typo's can be fixed. Republican's should be. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:42 PM:
" If you want to know who caused this mess, just look at the behavior of the democrats. Whenever a republican screws up, they are all out there on TV demanding investigations and hearings. Do you hear them say anything like that now? Of course not. They know that if we get to the bottom of this manure pile, we will find democrats, some of them working in the Obama campaign. Their silence tells us all we need to know. "
soundy wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Good ol' boy Biden forgot to mention he was around in 1999 when Clinton signed the legislation which deregulated banks and caused this big bailout in the first place. Shame on you Joe! "
Nova wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:00 PM:
" ...davidinlse...I always enjoy valedictorians like you on your soap box calling others "dullards", while you have yet to master the correct usage of the word "to". Guessing Gov. Palin has gone farther in life than you could ever dream. Don't be discouraged though, your purpose in life is to give the rest of us a laugh. You do it quite well! "
just al wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Sorry I have to sink to his or her level, but Ill-Logically needs to be the one reading more careful. I never once mention Repubs or Demos. The two sides I was talking about were clearly identified as the banks and the consumers. "
wisconsingal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM:
" tribreader; at least Sarah Palin was able to put a thought across while having direct eye contact with the American people. When Obama speaks there are so many uuuuhhh.....eeerrrrr....uuummm...duuuuhh...errrrr....uuuuuuuuhhhh's, I'm just waiting for him to cough up that hairball and get on with his point. (if he has one that is.) "
davidinlse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM:
" RE; LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:34 PM: I was going to post about her riding in the back of a truck over in Lewiston yesterday, but that would have been to easy. "
tribreader1 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:42 PM:
" I think commenting on the way she talked last night is a legitimate point. She sounded uneducated, not "folksy" like I keep reading in print. I don't want a VP who cannot articulate. I can't imagine going into a meeting with foreign leaders and using "you betcha's and dropping the g's. I understand she was trying to relate more to the middle class, but I found it insulting that her way of doing that was to sound like an uneducated hick. Rather than making me like her more or relate to her, speaking that way and winking at the camera completely turned me off. "
Myturn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:41 PM:
" JBK- Well in in mere days you will be able to jump on the volunteer wagon to stop Johnsrud from going into the 'Ambulance Business'. "
quay wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:41 PM:
" yes, yes the dems are all evil. Abrams, Rusty Cunningham... Stevens The Senator in Alaska under investigation.. I forget? Dems? I get so confused.
Thats another reason to have on economic crash.
There is too much money in politics. "
LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:34 PM:
" To DavidinLSE -- Don't be making jokes about lipstick! What's the matter with you? You know how hysterically upset McCain and McPalin get about such things. A better comparison would be that you can gift wrap a turd -- but it's still a turd! "
CommonSense wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:32 PM:
" The big difference between Kennedy and Obama is their ideology. Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country" Obama has said, and I quote, "It is time to ask what your country can do for you". Our leaders don't have a heart to serve the people anymore, but rather to serve themselves...and the level of arrogance, or should I say 'audacity' of current Democrats is unprecedented. The fraud in the democratic party is shameless...Charlie Rangel's tax evasion, Pelosi's 100K donations to her husbands company, Frank's lies, Franklin Reins raping of the consumer...where does it end? "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 PM:
" By the way, I see that davidinlse and iloverussiamorethantheus are here, so I'll ask again:
How will Obama's taxation of the oil companies not just get passed on to us consumers?
What specific 'loopholes' was Obama talking about, who is using them, and what specifically is he going to do? If these 'loopholes' are actually just tax breaks for businesses, then basically Obama is saying he will raise taxes on businesses. That action will cause businesses to close, move out of the country, or fire workers to make ends meet.
Name one instance where Obama changed the political structure in either Washington or Illinois?
I'm on lunch. I'll be back later for the answers. "
quay wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 PM:
" this crisis is the market telling us that "a house for everyone" is not working to cover up the fact that our economy must retool to create jobs in the green sector. We are getting crushed in the global economy and this bail out will only put off what we need to do and by then it will be harder if not imposible.
We need a new big idea. This houseing thing was a ponzi sceam. And it failed when starter houses got to expensive to push the value of all the other houses up in value. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:14 PM:
" I saw where someone who loves russia stated that 'factcheck' was a non-partisan organization. That is wrong. It is funded by the Annenberg family which supported Obama and Ayers in Chicago. Their partisanship was found out when they falsified Obama's 2nd Amendment stance and that of the NRA. They probably would have gotten away with it, except nobody knows 2nd Amendment stuff better than the NRA.
http://sunspot.mercedsunstar.com/?q=node/5038 "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:06 PM:
" JD5400
Almost missed your post about the Community Reinvestment Act.
Unfortunately, you must not have read the Act. It doesn't require banks to lower their loaning standards, it just requires them to make available loans to the community that they operate in. Otherwise, banks would be able to "cherry pick" and give loans only to rich people who may not even live anywhere close to the community.
And this only plays a role if the banks are looking to merger or acquire other banks as their rating is affected.
Personally, this was a dumb Act that was modified by George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and then George W. Bush. "
Mack wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:04 PM:
" Tina Fey trying to act like a dumb Sarah Palin comes across smarter than the real Palin. "
davidinlse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:59 AM:
" She sure lived down to my expectations. Vague, unable to answer a straight question, pimped out with talking points, in short, she is the dullard I took her for. It's just like shrubbie only with lipstick. Just say what the handlers tell her to say and do. This is not leadership. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Just al
Where did I blame one side for the crisis? Obviously, you aren't reading too carefully. I have never said the Republicans or the Democrats are to blame.
The only thing both sides are to be blamed for is trying to bailout the companies after they have made bad loans. "
ACE wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:42 AM:
" What i want to know is if she's going after the guy who is the father of her 17 year old daughter's baby. Statuatory rape? Registering as a sex offender? C'mon Palin where do you stand? Or will this be shrugged off because of Palin's "goody two shoe" reputation? "
CJ wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:42 AM:
" People will likely spend more time planning a family trip than planning their retirement is it any wonder why most people have next to nothing saved. Part of the blame lies in the school systems not teaching some basics like the rule of 72, how TERRIBLE credit cards are if used wrong i.e. Deleware-Joe Bidden's friend's, term insurance vs. the whole life ripoff most agents sell so they get paid a bigger check it's all fairly simple. Heck look at all the people that took ARM loans I'm sure if the banker had taught them and not sold it to them most would say no thanks :( "
JBK wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 AM:
" Take a look at some of the other headlines on this site:
Child abuse. People suffering from cancer. Violence in the form of shootings, stabbings and biting. Drunk driving. Drugs.
Yet so many people are obsessed over fighting over an election which is still a month away. If people spent as much time, energy and money on issues in their own backyards, this world might become a bettter place. Instead, people are again distracted by politicians promising to save the world, but will do little to those ends once in office, as history shows. "
just al wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:21 AM:
" Logically is obviously in Bizaroo world, simply because of his name. You can not blame only one side to this crisis. Both sides are at fault, bankers for giving out bad loans and the consumer for taking on more than they can pay. So if you are going to pick a name at least pick one that fits you. "
JD5400 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 AM:
" Grant, kind of like how Obama had the DNC null Clinton's votes in Michigan and Florida? "
Myturn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 AM:
" Wisconsingal- LAX's post ending with, "yous guys" only illustrates this persons 'special' beliefs about himself. I would dare ask the same question of him that I highlighted for another poster in my 10:52 post. Of course the criteria is ludicrous and simple minded, but I truly believe these people beleive they are different/better/higher than others based on their own dellusional twisted list of criteria. Illustrating an all to often showing of social heirarchy/elitism? Where they in fact my bet is they could not even fill the ludicrous specified criteria listed anyway. "
Grant wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:13 AM:
" I still believe the Repubs can still win this election by Diebold Machines,Voter suppression in poor districts and Terror alerts also people like Blackwell,Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris as in the last 2 elections it worked "
JD5400 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 AM:
" Much of the necessary oversight was also overlooked during the Clinton years because you had Clinton staffers (and formerlly OBama staffers) like Franklin Raines taking over $100 million in compensation over less than 4 years. Or Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick taking in another $75 million. Now add Obama in his short time as a Senator, jumping right to #3 on the list, taking in $105,849. "
wisconsingal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:04 AM:
" Icansee; of COURSE we should not elect John McCain for the mere fact that he served our country. I was merely pointing out to LAX that his/her namecalling and childish comments show no respect for Senator McCain. Period. "
Myturn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:01 AM:
" Oh, and you all have to visit 'Jimmy's' Blog on this Web. Where Jimmy has been given a site, and allowed to spew his garp without any chance for an alternative view. Where favored posters like Welch,, Bowers and others are allowed endless "rants, and off topic posts" (Wehrs) to help him in his anti Republican, McCain/Palin tirade. As 'Jimmy' runs inside and slams the screen door as the neighborhood boyz desire to take him to the ground. As he edits any alternative views like a little nerd sticking his tongue out from behind his Mother's apron. Worse yet editing any explanations, defense, and as I said before allowing his 'underweight/aged' Pit Bulls freedom of no leash to do his dirty work on his endless attacking threads. Tell me Jimmy, did they place you in your locker alot in school? "
LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:00 AM:
" Wisconsingal -- I only repeated the nickname his classmates at the Academy gave him and only reported what another Navy pilot told me. If you don't like it, tough... So how is the Michigan campaing going for "yous guys." "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:58 AM:
" and Packer what is mccains platform all of the sudden.....hmm...change? Contradict yourself more please "
elocs wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:57 AM:
" As the CBS poll stated: '46% of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21% for Republican Sarah Palin. 33% said it was a tie.
18% of previously uncommitted percent say they are now committed to the Obama-Biden ticket. 10% say they are now committed to McCain-Palin. 71% are still uncommitted.'
Committed Democrats will vote for Obama and Republicans will vote for McCain. Both sides are looking for support of the undecided and Obama had an 8% gain over McCain there. "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:56 AM:
" here comes packer the ignorant. How old is mccain? "
JD5400 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Logically, you are on the right path. The banks were required by Bill Clinton's Administration to follow the Community Reinvestment Act. A program originally instituted during the Carter years. This program requires lenders to lower their standards of mortgage lending so that all Americans can be given, not work for, the American dream of owning a home. Basically affirmative action forced on lenders, otherwise face very stiff penalties from the government. We are paying for, in part, a Clinton Era social experiment. "
Myturn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM:
" On 'Jimmy's' Tribune Blog- BrainG writes- .....she's a clueless hillbilly? Tell me Brian, what categorizes a Hillbilly? Are they from the south? Do they live in hills? Do the have a drawl or accent other than yours? Evangelicals? Snake people? What is it? Kinda like Redneck, Originated from people that worked outside, hence the red neck. Tell me what differentiates you from being a Hillbilly? Huge saving or property holdings?, Education?, Your accent is correct?, Your religion?, You do not hunt? What is it??? You can complete equations easily in your head? You are Royal and are spoon fed projects with 60 of frontage, or satellite parking in our town as well? What differentiates you from a Hillbilly Brian. Tell us all, then we will know the 'rules'. "
packer backer wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM:
" Barack Hussein Obama says change, change, change, then why did he pick a running mate that is about as fresh as a 4 month old banana? "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:51 AM:
" everyone gives him respect for his service. However his service is not a reason to vote for him. There are veterans that are criminals now that are drug addicts now, should we elect them president? "
wisconsingal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:49 AM:
" Logically; I agree that banks DO need to be held responsible for this mess as well HOWEVER sitting at a bank having a loan officer tell me that I am approved for a $300,000 loan for a home would be a HUGE red flag for me knowing that I would NOT be able to afford the payments/taxes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Responsibility has to be on both sides obviously, but I can't say that I feel any sympathy for those greedy people that are foreclosing on homes they couldn't afford to begin with. "
wisconsingal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:45 AM:
" LAX; typical liberal who resorts to name calling rather than the facts. Whether you agree with John McCain or not you would think that you could show a little respect for the fact that that he fought for the freedom that you have to say some of the vile things that you say. Pathetic. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:39 AM:
" Wisconsingal
You would be incorrect. The problem isn't that people took out loans they couldn't afford. It's that the banks gave out loans they knew people couldn't afford.
The banks then bundled these mortgages together to uses them as collateral to loan money to other banks.
This was done because there was no regulatory oversight by anyone.
I think the banks need to take some of the responsible also. When people go to a bank,people go there relying on the banks experience and expertise. If they tell people that they qualify for a large home loan, then people assume they know what they are talking about. "
balanced budget wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:38 AM:
" When they talk about the issues important to the country Biden wins hands down. "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:32 AM:
" common sense or lack thereof you are obviously very ignorant, and misinformed. "
wisconsingal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:24 AM:
" Logically; I listened to President Bush tell people to go spend money to help the economy, however I'm pretty sure that he didn't want people to live WAY beyond their means by buying homes 4 times the amount that they could afford! I sure didn't, I am smart enough to know what I can and can't afford. It's a shame that we are now having to bail out greedy people that didn't know when to say NO, and now they want the government to pull them from the depths of their mess. Take responsibilty for your own lives and don't expect the government to do it for you. "
LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:23 AM:
" I'm in panic mode?! Really?!
Say, how's McNasty's campaign in Michigan going for ya! Wink, wink! By the way, tell me why McNasty's squadron mates cheered when they heard he had been shot down up north! I have it first-hand from a fellow Navy pilot... "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:19 AM:
" Dude said,
Have you seen/heard Obama........now that is a JOKE! "
Yeah,ah, ah, Dude, y' know, ah, Obama seems to have ah, ah, y' know a bit if a ah, y' know, speech, ah, problem sometimes himself. "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:12 AM:
" The Verdict: Misleading. Palin's summary ignores the fact that some of the votes were for measures to lower taxes for many Americans, while increasing them for a much smaller number of taxpayers. The total also includes multiple votes on the same measures and budget votes that would not directly lead to higher taxes. "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:12 AM:
" 23 were against proposed tax cuts.
7 were "for measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals."
11 were to increase taxes on people making more than $1 million a year, to help fund programs such as Head Start, school nutrition, or veterans' health care.
53 were votes on budget resolutions or amendments that "could not have resulted by themselves in raising taxes," though many "were clear statements of approval for increased taxes"
The total also includes multiple votes on the same measures. Annenberg says a close look at the record reveals that Obama has "voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper income taxpayers but not on middle- or low-income workers." "
please wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:12 AM:
" Doggone it, ya know...I still she's kind of a bonehead. (wink,wink) "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:11 AM:
" The Facts: The effort to convince voters that Sen. Barack Obama would support higher taxes is a central part of Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. McCain and the Republican National Committee have repeatedly cited 94 alleged votes by Obama to bolster their argument. Factcheck.org, a non-partisan project of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, pieced through records to determine just what these 94 instances were. Key findings: "
Icanseerussiafrommyhouse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:10 AM:
" The Statement: At a debate Thursday, Oct. 2 in St. Louis, Missouri, Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin charged Democrat Sen. Barack Obama of supporting higher taxes. "Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes, and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction 94 times."
Get the facts! "
Rickey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:54 AM:
" Repubs As McCain Brag about being De-Regulating ,They been that way since the 1920s and called it Lazie Fare .Dems as FDR and LBJ have been more For regulating its in their blood being that way . But You can do Your own Reserch "
Freddie Wisco wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:50 AM:
" Overheard
Citizen: What do you think about this weather?
Palin: Ya know, I eat mooseburgers. "
Big E wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:48 AM:
" Rickey have you done any research yet or did you miss my post on the Ron Kind article? "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:46 AM:
" CJ
You are overlooking the fact that George W. Bush told everyone to go out and spend to help the economy. He gave money out to people even though the government could not afford to do this.
Is it any wonder that people listened to him and now we are in a financial crisis. What kind of leadership tells people to go out and get in debt? "
CJ wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:45 AM:
" Rickey it was so nice when you were lined up waiting to see Obama with all your friends it's sad to see you are back on here again............... "
Rickey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:42 AM:
" I googled Hebert Hoover and There was a Picture of Bush and McCain "
Rickey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Plus the 600,000 or so jobs lost this year that should be about 760,000 jobs lost 9 months in a row . Repubs will lose Nov 4 and Idiot CJ will wine not having His people in Power. "
CJ wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:34 AM:
" Rickey you are still an idiot.........had terrible greedy bankers not given bad loans and stupid consumers bought house THEY could afford the economy would be such a non-issue. I'm making and saving $$$ and have a house payment that's fixed. Personal responsibility never comes up it's always someone elses fault......... "
Rickey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:31 AM:
" 159,000 jobs lost last month ,We can not afford more of the same, On November Four we will show the Repubs THE DOOR "
Freddie Wisco wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:30 AM:
" Palin looked like she was in a freshmen speech class last night. I see she used a typical republican approach, don't answer the question posed to you just respond with talking points. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:24 AM:
" The question is what issues did Palin raise that people agree with her on?
She is for same-sex benefits. She is for drilling in ANWAR, however McCain her running mate is against it.
She wants to increase the funding for education and feels teachers are underpaid.
She also wants to continue the war in Iraq, even though Bin Laden is hanging out in Afghanistan and Pakistan. She said that she didn't want to leave Iraq until they had a government. I thought they established a government almost 3 years ago. Remember the purple finger that they were all holding up after the elections.
She said that she would take on special interest groups and lobbyist, yet she supported and employed lobbyist as governor of Alaska.
So what do people agree with her on? "
andy k wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM:
" My problem with this article is that it ignores the polling, which clearly shows that Palin did okay, but that people really warmed up to Biden. The polls show that people think Biden won by about 50% to 35%. They also showed a marked increase in the number of people believing that Joe Biden understands the problems of the middle class. You can spin it any way you want, but McCain is far behind now and this did not change anything. "
andy k wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:03 AM:
" The polling done after the debate indicates a number of things. We like Joe Biden more than they did before the debate. Our opinion of Sarah Palin hasn't changed much. The number of us believing Biden is qualiied to be president increased from about 60% to about 80%. The number of us believing Sarah Palin is qualified to be president remained constant at about 45%. We found out that Palin is not an idiot, but we also found out that Biden would make a great vice president and president. "
Senior Advocate wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:52 AM:
" No one will ever convice the die hard dems on anything but Obama and Biden. It is absolutely amzing at these people who cannot see what Obama is. He trained the Acorn staff, the most corrupt org. in the US., next to the two clowns dems by the way that killed all bills to clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He is the typical Chicago politician, got millions for crooked contractors, is a friend of a man who still thinks it was and is OK to blow up govornment bldgs. God help us all if that clown and Mr. I am the greatest that ever lived Binden win this election. How can modern people be so ignorant of facts and incapable of critical thinking? "
castafly wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:50 AM:
" I think Sarah Palin likes me! She winked at me 2 or 3 times, hope she comes to LaCrosse. "
Myturn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:47 AM:
" Well I guess the heeped and lauded media labeled 'Idiot' did not do so bad? I wish I could watch 'The View' today! Would be REALLY intersted in seeing what that braintrust comes up with. After they have taken their over caked faces out of their makeup, dabbed their surgically stretched facial skin, quit primping their freshly purchaed 'fun' blouses, and taken their sweaters from around their necks and get down to business. LOL
Oh yeah, they represent 'US'???? "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:41 AM:
" Ah....LAX..here's a video you can see Joe Buddy's personality. I take this as making fun of the Middle Class. Joe Buddy won't ever have to stoop so low to live at "The Villages"
Kinda funny, but pretty sad. There are similar video gaffes out there, you just have to look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ
I believe both candidates did a fine job in the debate. "
Mack wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:40 AM:
" She didn't answer the questions but instead had memorized responses and cliches. Very weak and women are angry about such a condescending way to get their vote. She makes George W. Bush look like a mensa genius. "
fortwith bolgar wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:39 AM:
" This notion that Sarah Palin looked good because the bar was set so low for her is rediculous. We're talking about the vice presidency of the United States of America. There should be one, imovable bar by which we judge our candidates. Consider this, if she was judged by the same bar that was in place for Biden, she would have looked like a moron, but no, we say there are little or no expectations of her, so all she has to do is not screw up horribly in order to come off as good. That is just stupid, and we should expect much more of our 2nd highest office in the nation. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Another thing. Remember when Bush and alot of the other Republicans were taking about Health Savings Account and Personal Retirement plans. The government would give you money to invest in the stock market.
Just look at where a lot of those people would be at today. Anyone with a 401k can see how much money they have lost. Now what if they had to retire today and their was no Social Security. They would be screwed. They wouldn't have anything to live on and they wouldn't have any health care. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:35 AM:
" Just some dude
But if the government doesn't know what they are doing, what good does it do to have them bail out Wall St? Won't they just mess it up more? "
Lefty MaGuire wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:35 AM:
" I don't believe you can say there was a clear winner last night. But, I know that Palin failed to answer several of the questions that were asked and I wish Biden would have called her out on that. She was like a freaking robot last night, programmed to say a few cute lines to be adorable. So for all of you that say she's a Washington outsider and will make a change, you're dead wrong. If they could train her for the debate last night in a few days, just think what 4 years will do to her. So, just vote for the experience from the get go, because if McCain drops dead on his first day, we're all in a world of hurt. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:29 AM:
" Logically, I will take a stab at this one.
If the govenment doesn't bail out wall street right now, we are going to have another depression.......does that count?
A better question is, how is Obama spending all his money fannie Mae (that McCain is voting to bail out) GAVE HIM "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:24 AM:
" LAX, is in full breakdown panic mode. He has nothing to say except she doesn't sound like he does.
I thought you liberals were so accepting of "different" people.....I guess you are only accepting of "different" people if they way what you want them to say. "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM:
" One other problem that I have. Could a Republican explain to me how they agree with the idea of less government, because government can't do things right, but McCain still wants the government to bail out Wall St.? Does that make sense? If they can't do anything right, why would we want to put them in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?
Why do we want the government, who can't do things right, to create governments in other countries? Wouldn't they just mess that up too?
So how can you be against "big government" and then vote to have "big government" run more things?
Does this make sense to anyone? "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM:
" You guys ripping on how Palin speaks as your defense of why she isn't gtood is LAUGHABLE.
Have you seen/heard Obama........now that is a JOKE! "
LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:22 AM:
" Common cents and two cents -- actually we'd settle for somebody who can speak just good English. And who reads. And who can answer simple questions like what newspapers you read. And by the way, I didn't hear Biden make fun of the middle class. You people must be hearing things -- kind of like God talks to George Bush. Frightening! "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:19 AM:
" That is true Big E, I thought she would have mentioned Fannie Mae too. For some reason the republicans aren't focusing on that. There must be something more to it.
I was impressed with Biden though. I don't have anything bad to say about him. The way he presents himself was very respectable, I can respect a man that shows respect to McCain. If they would quit focusing on the Bush administration and "how we got here" it wouldn't be so bad. None of us are stupid enough to not realize "how we got here", he isn't running against Bush he is running against a man that Kerry wanted to be his running mate last election. Maybe they should focus on that. "
LAX wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:19 AM:
" Palin won? Right...you betcha, wink, wink! And I've got a bridge to sell you! The one she was for, before she was against it! Just like McNasty and Bush she shucked and jived and didn't answer the questions put to her, but rambled on with the Republican talking points that had been "drilled" into her head...and only a Republiscum like CataractJack would think about "sacktime" with Sarah. EEEuuuuuwwww! I bet he thinks Larry Craig is hot, too! "
Logically wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:18 AM:
" The problem I have is that every time a person doesn't speak eloquently,i.e. George W. Bush, the media says that the candidate relates to the common people, the midwesterners and "main street". It makes it sound like we in the midwest are ignorant and can only understand a person who talks that way.
I hate to break the news to the nation, but midwesterners are very bright. So stop sending us candidates that talk like idiots. We actually relate to smart people better. "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:17 AM:
" Speaking of the moderator..funny how Ifill avoided abortion, energy and gun rights?
She focused an awful lot on foreign policy (Biden's strength). Obama and McCain just had an entire debate on foreign policy, so I was kind of hoping this debate would focus on some different issues.
The moderator avoided Palin's strengths and catered to Biden's. No surprises there.
Both candidates did well. Too bad Biden makes fun of the "middle class" and has that smirk on his face all the time. "
common Sense wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:11 AM:
" They both did a good job. If you want a northeast liberal elite entrenched politician, you want Biden. If you want someone who understands us, wants to stick up for the "little guy," and has the guts to do so, you want Palin. And who among us really cares if she doesn't speak like a northeast liberal elite?! "
Big E wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:03 AM:
" I was pleasantly surprised the moderator was not pushing for her canidate (Obama, a main subject in her new book about african american politicians). I don't think there was a clear cut "winner". I agree with some of the comments below that Biden would have been a better candidate. He does have far more experience and expertise than Obama, whether you agree with him or not. Palin messed up on one major point: she could have nailed Biden/Obama with the Fannie Mae/subprime mess caused by Frank, Dodd, and Obama, and she didn't do it, instead only pointing out McCain had tried to regulate Fannie. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:00 AM:
" possum: Sorry, I am not an impressionable college kid that is out to change the world.
I have a wife and 3 kids, and have struggled to make it as well, and frankly I don't really care about the guy sleeping on the sidewalk in front of the post office.
I care about my sons not having to go to Afghanistan in 15 years to clean up a mess we left behind if your joker gets into office.
Tax the hell out of Exxon, I am sure that won't trickle down to us at the pump......that is what you guys want though right? All of us to ride our bikes and be part of the soulution and not the problem. "
possom133 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:57 AM:
" With thinking like yours dude we all will lose. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:54 AM:
" possum: sounds good I don't agree with your theories. That must make me ignorant.
I am sorry you lost. "
cataractjack wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:51 AM:
" She wiped the floor with Biden. She is the only one running that has any experience running anything. He is dabating her and doing nothing but talking about bush. That will never cut it. Most of the time Biden looked like he wanted to take her to the sack not the woodshed. "
possom133 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Ignorance is bliss. Dude has proved it. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:48 AM:
" possum, I hear a lot about this man made global warming.....I have yet to see proof of the theories though. That is your hippy science warking for your party. "
jn wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:48 AM:
" Good ol' boy, Biden, looked a little nervous. Good job, Sarah, you nailed it! "
possom133 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:43 AM:
" So Palin is all in tune with the economics of this country???????????????????? ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha, good one dude. As for energy there is a lot more to do than drill baby drill, oh, and there is such a thing as human caused global warming. "
horselover wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:41 AM:
" She is also right about the lending practices of this country so everyone is like the "Jones". So many young people are buying houses out of their budget, new cars,etc. Then wonder why they are broke. Sitting around their kitchen tables wondering how they got into this mess. Sure a new house and cars are wonderful, if you have the cash that is. Truth is, most don't, so they borrow, the banks allowed them to borrow above their means. Just as they do with big industry, banking on the economy, which now failed and that is the real problem. Lawyer's got us into this mess, I find Palin refreshing because she is NOT A LAWYER!! "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:39 AM:
" yeah, damn clinton and that huge budget surplus. we're a lot better off now. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:38 AM:
" fortwith your name should be Nostradomus.......I think you guys predicted Palin to fail miserably here too.
Obama isn't qualified to even talk to McCain let alone debate him.
Why do you think democrats target kids......kids don't understand how the world works yet. All you need is a good rah rah speech and you won them over.
They are vunerable, and everyone of them says they are going to change the world.....sound familiar? "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:35 AM:
" "God" when Obama was here he talked about how great CVlinton was, it made me realize the change that he talks about is changing back to the Clinton years...............NO THANKS! "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:34 AM:
" possum: That is fine, I am pretty sure McCain knows all the generals and everyone else that is remotly involved with this war......that isn't what Palin is there for, McCain struggles with the economy and energy problems.......there is nobody better than Palin with those issues.
You should stick to the "McCain is going to die" argument. "
fortwith bolgar wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:33 AM:
" Palin's perfomance last night is irrelevent. McCain is going to lose in 5 weeks by a landslide. It won't even be close, because at the end of the day he has no answer to the economic crisis, and Obama does. This is the #1 issue for Americans right now and McCain Palin just can't put a gap between themselves and the Bush administration. Quite frankly, they're fuhcked. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:32 AM:
" Sorry "god" it doesn't work that way. Biden along with many other democrats supported going to war too, until it became popular by your party to bash the war when things didn't go as expected. They are two completely different situations.
Good try though. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:31 AM:
" possum, how can we expect palin to know who the commander in afganistan is? she can't even see afganistan from alaska. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:29 AM:
" i thought the best part of the debate, and what sealed it for biden was when he gave palin the opportunity to explain how macsame differs from bush on the issues. any issues. how he's gonna change anything. she didn't have an answer, why? because mccain will run this country exactly the same as bush has for the last eight years. i don't think i need to tell anyone we can't afford that. "
possom133 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:25 AM:
" Well boys how about the fact that Mrs. Palin had no clue what the name of the current standing General in Afganistan is. No important point there it was all about the ya's and gol darnits, now thats whats important right boys. Just to state fact ,General David McKeirnan is the commander on the ground in Afganistan not Gen. George Mcclellan. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:25 AM:
" just some dude, biden voting for the war and then being against it, is that like mcsame voting for the bailout and then calling for bush to veto it? "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:23 AM:
" groucho, good point, she had to have been coached......everyone knows a woman can't think for herself!
Don't worry, Obama is still more of a sexist than you..........sweetie. "
horselover wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:20 AM:
" Rickey, why would or should here sister's divorce be made public. It has NOTHING to do with the election. If that's the best dirt, that's pretty sad. A lot of divorces are not good, should we print them all?? Who cares about that kind of stuff?? The important things are she is real. She can relate to the problems. It wasn't her divorce, it was her sister's. Why drag your family through the mud over something that is done and over with. Most marriages end in divorce anyway, like 50% or more. "
groucho wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:18 AM:
" She was clearly coached to death on certain talking points, which she kept going to in lieu of answering the question. So, we know for sure she is trainable. Big deal. Do I trust her being a heart-beat from the Presidency as a result of this debate? No! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:12 AM:
" There were two moments that I thought may have hurt Biden.
One, was when Palin mentioned that Obama's and his plan was not patriotic but a 'redistribution of wealth'. Biden's response showed she hit a nerve and he just looked like a mean, angry man, gritting his teeth.
The other one was after Palin talked about understanding people. Palin said something about knowing what it's like to try to figure out how to pay your bills. Biden's response was like Obama's "I've got a bracelet too" moment. Not only did it seem reactive, I didn't buy his posturing that he too is a common guy. Maybe he was 30+ years ago, but now he is an intrenched Washington big wig. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:05 AM:
" The part where she delivered the knocout blow last night I thought, was when she called Biden out about voting FOR the war when he was really against it.
She talkeda bout not knowing much about how that works. The other side is in shock, they had no idea she would do what she did. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:02 AM:
" Rickey: Good stuff......nothing about the debate. More proof she won. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:02 AM:
" Just some dude,
That's a good point on the critics view on her talking style. If we were saying that Obama looked or talked too 'ghetto' the cries would be "RACIST"!
One thing I felt with her down home style was that she was "main street" not "Washington insider" like Biden. Which brings to mind that Obama talks about "changing" Washington, but his partner is not an outsider who brings change, but a partisan insider. "
Rickey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:55 AM:
" I still believe Palin was sleeping with the State Trooper brother in law,Why would She want a seal on the divorce records? also The possession of the land the Wasilla Sports Arena is still in litigation for the last 7 years maybe She should go to Alaska and Mend Fences "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:47 AM:
" I agree Phil, Biden being president would be better. I thought he was very respectful of McCain last night. It was refreshing to hear.
I do agree Palin clearly won though, the only criticizm they have is about how she talks or how she sounds........what would happen if our criticizm was about how Obama looked and sounded? "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:41 AM:
" My recooperation is done, so I can't spend all day blogging (I know Michael Welsh will be disappointed), but I did want to comment on the debate. Overall, I thought neither one made any major gaffes, so neither one hurt their campaign. On debate style or Harvard grading, I would say that Biden came across a bit better. On relatability, as in do I believe this person understands me and my condition, Palin was the clear winner.
On a side note, I was thinking the Democratic ticket would be better if Biden was running for Pres. and Obama was the VP. Obama has the flash, but Biden has the substance. What a weird political season this is. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:38 AM:
" Good stuff Native.......if that is what you have as a criticizm, Palin won the debate, AND IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE! "
Native wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:37 AM:
" Strongly disagree
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