seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:25 PM:
" My point was not for the press to tell us who is the best candidate, it was for hoping for a better perspective of how we chose the person to lead us. Change from all the negative, questionable "facts" that the media now gives us as un-questionable facts. The current mass media is more like the propaganda machine in Orwells 1984 than the press we hope the media to be. If the media focused on the issues and the candidates viewpoints and solutions, they would be doing their job, sadly this is not the case. I'm not left or right, I am an American "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:07 PM:
" seekthetruth, I don't want the press to tell us who they think is the best candidate. I want them to find out all the facts about them, put them all out there for us and let US decide who we think is best. "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:17 PM:
" I would love to see one election in my life that was filled with press releases of who is the BEST person for the job, and not who is the least desirable to have as our leader. We are not given their current views as much as their "checkered" past actions. It is so easy to see the results of a problem, but it is never easy coming up with a viable solution to the problem. But I believe in ALL Americans and I truly believe WE will make it better than it was. America was built on people who merged their ideas to try and create a better world. GO USA! "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:15 PM:
" I went and looked it up for you, Bears fan. This is a quote from William Ayers.
Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents.
this is Obama's friend. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:08 PM:
" Bears fan, perhaps you should do a little research into the philosophy of William Ayers, that "upstanding citizen, serving the public" who is not one bit sorry for what he did, and still wants to promote a socialist society by indoctrinating our children in our schools. And don't think his wife set him straight because she is worse than he is. Please, look it up. Why would Obama start off his political career in Ayers' living room? Could it be that Ayers is backing him as a way to accomplish his own agenda? What do you REALLY know about Obama? "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:58 PM:
" seekthetruth, regarding your 4:24 post: excellent analysis of our news media. You are exactly right, in my humble opinion. Thanks for that. "
Bears fan in Wisconsin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:46 PM:
" Wheezer: LOL good one. Seekthetruth: Good luck finding anyone without a "checkered" past. Obama knows someone socially (who did some terrible things 40 (!) years ago and who is now an upstanding citizen, serving the public) and suddenly he's "palling around with terrorists". How ridiculous is that? "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:24 PM:
" I am far from being a fan of Mr O becoming our next president. All I am saying is that both of these two have too many questionable things in their past to lead us with integrity and honesty. And if the media would of been a watchdog instead of the lapdog it has been, we would not be in this mess today. Instead of focusing on important issues, they feed us useless Hollywood celebrity garbage as "news". You will notice I have not called either libs or conservs bad names over their beliefs like some of the intolerants in this thread have done. From their viewpoint of knowledge, that is how they see reality. That is what America stands for I thought. I think the media has failed us by not telling us the truth. "
CommonSense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:08 PM:
" Hey Andy K...I am the CommonSense you were referring to...though there are three of us using variations of the same name, I was the first, but I digress.
I don't recall anyone saying McCain would draw more people than pObama...and is it relavant? I don't think so.
By the way, the rally was FANTASTIC, it was great to see our next President.
Oh, and have you noticed, ever since pObama took the 'lead' in the polls, the stock market has tanked? Guess Wall St. is scared of a socialist administration. "
Wheezer wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:38 PM:
" Krusty, how many liberals do you see assassinating doctors or bombing clinics or shooting up church services (like in Milwaukee this past yr)?? "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:11 PM:
" seekthetruth, Obama has been accused of "poor judgement" for the people he has associated with for the last 20 years. Some of us think it is more than just "poor judgement." If Obama didn't have almost all the media in his pocket, he would have been out of the race a long time ago because of those questionable people. If the media would do their job and investigate and give us the bare facts, we might have a fair election. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:03 PM:
" andy k, no thank you for your free advice, and I think you must think I'm one of the others who post under some variation of my name. I have not worked for the republican party. I was simply pointing out to burkebasher that perhaps others might know more about life than he does. Next time you want to give "free advice" maybe you should make sure it's worth something. Like they say, "you get what you pay for." "
laxgirl wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:36 PM:
" There was nothing for protesters to protest when Obama was here. Obama has been first class all the way! I am not voting for this one (Mc Cain), I am voting for
'that one' (Obama). "
Athenry wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Once again the immaturity of the liberal section of our country rears its head. Let's see, violence at the RNC and nearly every McCain rally features disruptive protestors who's sole aim is to distract. You do not see conservative supporters acting this way. Seems like disrespect and oppression of free thought is the change Obama offers. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:22 AM:
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I see more spin coming
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seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:49 AM:
" I didn't say McCain was guilty, did I? You yourself said he is guilty of poor judgment. How many more poor judgments does America need to make in choosing who is the most competent to lead our country? Your rhetoric proves that you speak without knowledge of the subject here........It is about honesty and integrity, not who has the most skeletons in the closet so mud can be thrown.
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I'm not the one that brought out the skeletons. You did.
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You said:
"Your rhetoric proves that you speak without knowledge of the subject here"
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And your rhetoric shows that you have knowledge about the subject and I don't. That makes sense to me. Really. I'm not kidding. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:16 AM:
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Spin alert
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seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:42 AM:
Oh Please, Wasn't OJ cleared of all charges of murder? .................you can get any ruling you want from the courts with the "right" lawyers on the case.
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several retrospective accounts of the controversy reiterated the contention that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target..... inclusion of McCain, as well as committee members who thought that dropping Glenn (and McCain) would make it look bad for the remaining three Democratic Senators.
On September 10, 1990, Bennett submitted a confidential report, which soon leaked, that recommended that the committee continue its investigation of Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle, but take no action against Glenn and McCain,[31] as there was insufficient evidence to pursue the latter two.
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Nice try. Wrong again. "
RUSerious wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:14 AM:
" "Bringing up a justice system that is a joke to prove a point shows how blind you are to reality."
We do not have a justice system. We have a legal system. "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:13 AM:
" RE: Krusty
ABSOLUTLEY! Liberals claim to be so "open minded" but if you don't agree with your opinions (to which everyone is entitled) they will scream in your face in protest until you hear them. Never can agree to disagree - there are a reason people call them "loud mouth liberals". "
elocs wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:57 AM:
" People really need to familiarize themselves with the Constitutional rights that we still have. We have the right to freedom of speech, to peaceably assemble and to protest. If anybody chooses not to exercise their right that is their choice.
For any who might actually be interested in reading our Constitution, here is a link:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
I am sure many do not have a clue as to what the Constitution actually says. "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:49 AM:
" I didn't say McCain was guilty, did I? You yourself said he is guilty of poor judgment. How many more poor judgments does America need to make in choosing who is the most competent to lead our country? Your rhetoric proves that you speak without knowledge of the subject here. It is about honesty and integrity, not who has the most skeletons in the closet so mud can be thrown. I am an American and love my country and the Constitution is the highest Law of the land. Too bad our government does not have the same feelings about our country's highest Law "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:42 AM:
" Oh Please, Wasn't OJ cleared of all charges of murder? What does being cleared have to do with the truth? This is proof that if you have the funds, you can get any ruling you want from the courts with the "right" lawyers on the case. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:41 AM:
" seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:43 AM:
" Lest we forget how GREAT McCain is and honest? The Keating Five......The five Senators were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association
Hurts when the truth comes out of the closet? "
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Nice try seek.
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.
Now try seeking it yourself. "
CounterPoint wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:40 AM:
" You're right about one thing, Bears Fan, we do all want a properous country. We just have very different ideas on how that should be achieved. One believes in free markets and the oportunities to better your life, and the other wants government to do it for us. I think the socialist call that "fairness". Informed people call it socialism or Marxism. "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:38 AM:
" As we all know, charges are brought up under suspicion of misdoings. Money buys the verdict by who can find the loopholes to get them out of their "legal" activities. Bringing up a justice system that is a joke to prove a point shows how blind you are to reality. See the fact that our government is lying to us and the fools keep letting them do it by not holding them accountable for their actions. This is not a Rep vs Dem. This is honesty vs corruption! "
Bears fan in Wisconsin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:28 AM:
" There were only 3 demonstrators, they do not speak nor represent the entirety of democratic supporters. If I judged republicans soley on the posters here, I would have to sum them up as: vile, nasty, and vicious. But I'm sure you are good, upstanding citizens... just lovely people. Perhaps, you should try to view democrats as human beings wanting the best for their children and the future of the country they love, our views may different, but we all want the same goal. A safe prosperous United States. "
ohplease wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:20 AM:
" seeksthetruth did you forget that McCain was cleared of all charges?
only speaking in half truths huh "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:11 AM:
" You will notice that I do not support this lack of integrity or honesty by either of these two so called candidates for President. Both parties have been corrupted by greed and power and neither cares about America. All they care about is where they are going to get the money for their next election bid. Notice how America said NO to the bailout, but both candidates said "So what America, we must obey Wall St (and their money), or we don't get elected again. Am I wrong in asking for honesty and integrity from our "elected" officials from BOTH political parties ??? "
andy k wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:55 AM:
" Common sense. You have in the past mentioned your volunteer work for the local republicans. Your posts here simply attack "liberals" (whatever that means) and hurts your own party and your own cause. This election is different. We're in the middle of a serious economic crisis. People want to hear about that. Personal attacks against the other side aren't going to work this time for either party. You're welcome for the free advice. "
andy k wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:51 AM:
" re: seekthetruth. Maybe that's what McCain is referring to when he talks about reaching across the aisle to "work with" his fellow democrats? "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:43 AM:
" Lest we forget how GREAT McCain is and honest? The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association
Hurts when the truth comes out of the closet? "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:41 AM:
" burkebasher, did it ever occur to you that conservatives are generally older than liberals? Hench, they have experienced a lot more of life than you have? Perhaps they have A better view of how the world works best? There is a saying: "A young person that isn't a liberal has no heart; an older person that is a liberal has no brain". Think about it. "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Burkebasher, "PS...The story mentioned people were lined up to King Street. That's one whole block. Obama people were lined up all the way down to the Inidan in Riverside Park."
That only means more people are fooled by Obama than McCain. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:35 AM:
" banger, they probably didn't think of that. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:33 AM:
" burkebasher, JUST WHO THE HE-- ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR ME AND EVERYONE ELSE AND THEN SHOUT DOWN ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU?!
Some of you libs haven't been out in the world long enough to have any idea what you are talking about. "
ohplease wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:28 AM:
" to those 5 people who want to support obama how can you be behind a man who is freinds or an associate of a known terrorist a man whos bombs is own country obama tought on teerrorism YA RIGHT "
CounterPoint wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:27 AM:
" Well said, Burkebasher. Spoken like a true socialist. Republicans are "misguided" and you are just "trying to help our fellow man". Excuse me, but we don't need or want your help, and we don't need the government to run our lives. "
banger wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:25 AM:
" I just glad these pacifist nuts were not at the airport heckling the WW II vets when they made their Washington, DC trip on Wednesday. "
andy k wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:15 AM:
" Obama should publicly denounce these 5 people who don't even support him and have hurt republicans' feelings. Just as soon as McCain denounces his neandrethal supporters who shout "terrorist!" and "kill him!" every time he mentions Obama. "
Double A wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:12 AM:
" I'm all for free speech and freedom of assembly but I just can't figure out what these demonstrators accomplish other than making themselves look a tad ridiculous. "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:08 AM:
" Future Doctor...good post and good luck with your learning....
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Not for the democrats? I guesss AARP isn't either. lol
http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/ "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:08 AM:
" Obama keeps saying he will fund his plan with the money saved by pulling out of Iraq. The last I checked we were running up trillions of dollars in deficit. When the war ends there is no money freed up to spend somewhere else, it will need to go toward the deficit. The money spent in Iraq is not just free money laying around that we felt we just needed to get rid of to get it off the books. Obama will have to raise taxes by the amount of money "saved" when we pull out of Iraq (most likely half way through his term at the earliest). "
Future Doctor wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:04 AM:
" I have to say it is embarassing for this to happen. I am voting for Obama, and the demonstrators have every right to be there because we DO live in the United States. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD... "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Does this behavior actually surprise anyone?
USA USA USA "
free_speech wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:58 AM:
" Fishingpro - How can you POSSIBLY support McCain after he chose Palin. He lost me right there. You are going to elect the oldest president ever with health problems and put HER in line to be president! He showed he has extremely poor jusgement in selecting her. Can you imagine? President Palin? It is laughable. And what about his home loan buyout plan? Taxpayers will subsidize the falling values of homes? Will they give the money back when the values eventually go back up? What about the fact that home values skyrocketed the past 10 years and much of it is profit already. Absurd. "
twilite wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:56 AM:
" Burkebasher: does Obama have a plan? what is is? oh, right, "change." and obama does talk and actually says something? okay, well that means he's a smooth talker...but you should watch out for those. And it seems like you're more uneducated than we are MISGUIDED. Otherwise, wouldn't you want to present to us your ability to spell? Since we are typing, of course. "misguied" "Inidan" "
fishingpro wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Krusty
Couldn't agree with you more. Those people are just rude.
Obama is all about spend and spend some more.
No experience!!!!
Go back and form more ties with slumlords out of Chicago.
What is this I hear now about Obama being tied to a domestic terrorist?
McCain needs to take the gloves off for the rest of this campaign. The sad things is he has to draw a fine line or people ill call him a racist. What a bunch of BS. "
burkebasher wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Krusty- You are so wrong. What we want is the best for everyone and we believe that Obama can help to provide that. McCain talks/Palin talks, but they don't say anything. There is no plan.
You know you're hatred of the liberals is only detrimental. We don't hate conservatives. We just think you're "misguied". We're only trying to help our fellow man. PS...The story mentioned people were lined up to King Street. That's one whole block. Obama people were lined up all the way down to the Inidan in Riverside Park. "
Krusty wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:24 AM:
" This is what I hate about liberals, they have no respect for other peoples views. Nobody was harrassing people and protesting when obama was here "
let it be said wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:19 AM:
" Part of Obama's rise in the polls was laid to his ability to significantly outspend McCain in TV advertising, allowing him to better target the swing voters who will decide the election and to take a more positive pitch as he presses to expand his lead.
On Monday alone, Obama spent $3.3 million in TV advertising. At that rate the Democrat will spend more than $90 million on ads through the Nov. 4 election more than all the money McCain has to spend on his entire fall campaign.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27104150
THAT'S WHAT I CALL 'WORRIED ABOUT OUR ECONOMY' "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:08 AM:
" They had important business to attend to that day. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, business. "
Melon Head wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:07 AM:
" Not Obama supporters? Why were they not here when he was in town???? "
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