fred wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:18 AM:
" You cannot call Obama a socialist without also calling all of the individuals who enacted, promoted and/or administered Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, highway construction, public schools, the military and other programs of public benefit socialists. This includes McCain and hordes of other public figures, from the present and past -- on both sides of the political fence -- who enacted programs that required citizens to chip in to support the health and infrastructure of our nation. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:05 PM:
" The Shining,
A lot of people in Germany also supported the Nazi's. Does that make them right as well?? "
The Shining wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:22 PM:
" 15,000 people at the Obama rally and 4,000 at McCains??!!! hahahahaha!!! Give it up old geezer, Obama is da man!!! "
seekthetruth wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:55 PM:
" I am not a fan of either candidate, but Sen McCain showed some integrity by doing his best to stop the hate flow coming from a FEW, not all mind you, of his supporters. He may not win, but he has proven he is trying to get above the mud-slinging that seems so common anymore in politics. Thank you Sen McCain for showing America how we should treat fellow Americans, even if we disagree with them! "
CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:15 PM:
" I see nobody could post any bills that Obama started that helped them so with Rickey gone today seeing McCain is there nobody that can come up with Something............ "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:25 PM:
" McCain, Obama, Biden, Kohl, Kind all voted for this "bailout" ( I use that term very loosely). NONE should be (re)-elected.
This bill started out 3 pages long and ended up over 400 pages in length. The ONLY reason this bill got passed is due to the pork that was added.
BOTH parties are an embarrassment.
With the exception of Russ Feingold, everyone of us who post here should be ashamed of our
representatives.
If you can't tell, I'm a little pi$$ed off over the bailout. I'm surprised, and disappointed, that more posters haven't expressed the same outrage.
Oh well, I guess whomever it was that said "we get the government we deserve", was right. "
packer backer wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:03 PM:
" There you go CJ, why should we? Now, I am current on my house, so do I get credit for paying it, or should I stop paying on it and get a free check in the mail? Hmmm hey why not? Or maybe I should go out and buy a $400,000 house I cannot afford, with a interest only loan, and then whine that when the principle is due. Why should we bail-out morons?
There are a few hardworking people that ran into bad luck. But hey that what bankruptcy is for. Let the system work. Might be tough for awhile, but bailing out stupid people, will just make the situation worse in the long term. "
lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:00 PM:
" Enuff- OK, RE: Vote. I couldn't recall if he was in yet or not. Regardless, I think his opposition to the initial war resolution is pretty clear. It also seems that it would have been most prudent to not go into Iraq in the first place. "
Michael Welch wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:58 AM:
" To me the most fascinating proposal McCain has made is assiduously ignored by his Republican supporters -- the Arizona senator has in fact plumped for the SOCIALIZATION of home mortgage debt for EACH mortgage holder who CAN'T make the payment! He is asking the federal government to INTERVENE to 'restructure' those ill made loans so that those buyers CAN pay. As a socialist myself I COMMEND the senator but I am perplexed because I've been told again and again that OBAMA IS the 'soshie,' the 'ultra liberal,' but HE OPPOSES this sort of 'bailout'! As was noted in one of the British dailies yesterday re: the Brown government's, in effect, 'nationalization' of the Brit banking system -- 'We are ALL "socialists" now -- comrades!' Republicans TOO???!!!!! So welcome to MY side uh COMRADES!... "
CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:52 AM:
" Life is what you make it and everyone that also has to place blame or look to the Gov't for help needs to look in the mirror. People that took out or sold terrible home loans are a good place to start on some of the economic issues. If someone can't pay for their house why should we have to bail them out??? "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:44 AM:
" lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:30 AM:
" Enuff- I won't disagree with you re: war authority. I do recall there being something about the Pres. is able to commit troops for a fixed period and then get Congressional approval to continue the conflict. Regardless, wasn't Obama one of those who voted against giving Bush the authority to go into Iraq? "
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He wasn't in the Senate at that time of the vote. He was opposed to the war, you are correct. He did oppose the troop surge. "
lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:39 AM:
" CJ- It would probably be appropriate to also ask how many bills has McCain signed off on that have hurt the middle class? "
CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:33 AM:
" Pack 4 Life uh duh Monica as in Lewinsky........Still looking for a bill that Obama started and passed that has helped the middle class any takers???? "
lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:30 AM:
" Enuff- I won't disagree with you re: war authority. I do recall there being something about the Pres. is able to commit troops for a fixed period and then get Congressional approval to continue the conflict. Regardless, wasn't Obama one of those who voted against giving Bush the authority to go into Iraq? "
packer backer wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:15 AM:
" Is this guy leaving the City with a huge bill just like Hussein did? How come the City of La Crosse has to pay for these crooks to come here? Oh yea, to tell us how the bail-out to their BUDDIES is working. Hey, it was just 700 billion, chump change, right? How is that stock market doing after that 700 billion? Who cares, were off to a resort to spend 500 mill. to play golf, and toast the tax payers! Yippie "
PACK 4 LIFE wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:51 AM:
" Well you are right dan quale is brilliant,how else could he get that far and being that dumb?Kind of reminds me of obongo? "
IAmRight wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:46 AM:
" What it comes down to is Obama is smarter than McCain. McCain's not very bright and he's mentally slipping every day. Also, like him or not, at least Biden is familiar with the issues. Palin is just plain dumb. she makes Dan Quayle look brilliant. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:32 AM:
" lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:46 AM:
" Enuffalready: Please read....
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lax8751: Please read.........
The War Powers Act of 1973 (Pub.L. 93-148), also referred to as the War Powers Resolution, is a resolution of the Congress of The United States of America that stated that the President of The United States of America can send armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress.
The Senate and House both voted to authorize the President to send troops and also voted, on several occasions, to fund the war. "
bucketz wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:29 AM:
" John and Cindy McCain are frickin bizarre. Look at them. I don't think they're actual living humans. Do either of them have a pulse? "
PACK 4 LIFE wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Wake up cj,Im pretty sure the clintons daughters name is kelsey not monica.How soon we 4get.Mccain looks good 4 65 years old,and what his wife is about 50? Way to go dude.I want experience and obongo doesn't have it.Did you see how happy mayor markie is? "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:26 AM:
" dbl lung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:48 AM:
" Enuff,
It has everything to do with Obama when you consider his all family thinks Castro is a great man. That is a point worth making when you consider all the low life scum America was given when Jimmy Carter (soneone Obama is compared too being like) was in office. "
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Don't mix apples and oranges.
Just because some members of his family take that position doesn't mean the family, including Senator Obama, does.
Generalizations painted with a broad brush usually are not accurate. "
CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:41 AM:
" It is funny how Monica doesn't come up here............old Bill he was the poster child for family values LOL "
CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Are Grant and Rickey the same person you sure seem like it. Can ANYONE tell me a bill or ANY legislation that Obama introduced and had passed that has helped us???????????????????? He's a slick talking whole life insurance salesman and that's about it..........SAD "
Rock wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Grant, were you ranting when Billy cheated on Hillary while still in office? Idiot. "
Grant wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:56 AM:
" McCains Family Values Ignore the Sixth Commandment with the Drug Stealing,Home Wrecking SINdy "
dbl lung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:48 AM:
" Enuff,
It has everything to do with Obama when you consider his all family thinks Castro is a great man. That is a point worth making when you consider all the low life scum America was given when Jimmy Carter (soneone Obama is compared too being like) was in office. "
lax8751 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:46 AM:
" Enuffalready: Please read....
The President has broad constitutional power to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. Congress has acknowledged this inherent executive power in both the War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001.
The President has constitutional power not only to retaliate against any person, organization, or State suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States, but also against foreign States suspected of harboring or supporting such organizations.
The President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the States that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11. "
dbl lung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:44 AM:
" Another recent memory of Obama is in fact when he wanted to put partisan politics aside and stand with McCain and Kennedy to address and issue and never showed up. I guess we can put this in the same boat as all the "present" votes he used because he did not have his racist pastor next him to help make the decision for him. Obama Supporter please wake up!!! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:43 AM:
" dbl lung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:39 AM:
I think a one of my favorite memories and biggest turn off's to Obama is the fact that his cousin and family think Fedel Castro is a great man. His cousin even named is son Fidel.
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And that has exactly what to do with Senator Obama??
My cousins have weird ideas also. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with me, or in this case, Senator Obama. "
dbl lung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Oh my gosh. I can not hardly believe some of you Obama supporters want to bring up Reagan after all these years. Lets not forget Reagan took over what Jimmy Carter (someone Obama is being compared too) left him. Lets not forget all the low life scum of the earth people Jimmy CArter allowed to come to America. I think a one of my favorite memories and biggest turn off's to Obama is the fact that his cousin and family think Fedel Castro is a great man. His cousin even named is son Fidel. "
let it be said wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:21 AM:
" Part of Obama's rise in the polls was laid to his ability to significantly outspend McCain in TV advertising, allowing him to better target the swing voters who will decide the election and to take a more positive pitch as he presses to expand his lead.
On Monday alone, Obama spent $3.3 million in TV advertising. At that rate the Democrat will spend more than $90 million on ads through the Nov. 4 election more than all the money McCain has to spend on his entire fall campaign.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27104150
THAT'S WHAT I CALL 'WORRIED ABOUT OUR ECONOMY'
Obama doesn't get it!! I remember McCain reaching across party lines on this one, imagine that, working w/ the Dems on REFORM! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:59 AM:
" (H.J.Res. 114 )
Senate vote: 77-23
House vote: 296-133
Looks like there may have been some Democrats that voted in the affirmative. :) "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Grant wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Bush said He is the Decider. Congress or the senate did not declare War, Bush did "
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Grant:
Civics 101 lesson for the day:
The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. "
PUNKERS1 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:53 AM:
" All of you blame our economy on Bush..Where do you think the money comes from when we have diastersm i.e. 911,war, Katrina and all the other hurricanes that wrecked havoc w/our country. As far as I am concerned the ones that complain about the war are the ones that were too lazy to fight for our country.. Enough said..McCain has my vote I was to feel safe and Obama does not make me feel SAFE "
Grant wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Bush said He is the Decider. Congress or the senate did not declare War, Bush did "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:34 AM:
" Darwin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:28 AM:
Shouldn't Bush's war have made you feel safe by now? "
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Darwin:
I'm sure that you meant to say both parties war. Senate and house both voted overwhelmingly to pass the resolution. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:32 AM:
" Mack wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:23 AM:
" The RNC, McCain and Palin have gone Swiftboat. It is irresponsible to imply that Obama is a domestic terrorist.
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Mack:
I'm pretty sure that no one is inferring that which you think they are implying.
The point that the other side is trying to make is that the connection does bring into question Senator Obama's judgement. "
Darwin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:28 AM:
" Goes to show how effective the scare tactics regarding 9-11 were. Still lingering out there. Even BUSH admitted he was wrong about it.... it was terrible, made worse when people use it to justify everything under the sun. Shouldn't Bush's war have made you feel safe by now? "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:27 AM:
" BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:07 AM:
" McCain will try to blame the financial crisis on "fannie and Freddie",...... Sure Fannie and Freddie are the source of many ills.....this crisis has Republican DNA all over it.
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Brian:
As I've said adinfinitum on various posts, BOTH parties are to blame. The DNA that is splattered all over this (your words) is from both parties.
Couple the politicians with the Fannie and Freddie mess, lax regulators and regulations, greedy homeowners, greedy bankers, greedy realtors....and pretty soon we have our current situation.
Any incumbent that voted for the current pork loaded bailout bill needs to be voted out of office.
Your thoughts?? "
Mack wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:23 AM:
" The RNC, McCain and Palin have gone Swiftboat. It is irresponsible to imply that Obama is a domestic terrorist. The Justice Department needs to step in as this kind of behavior may endanger Obama. We saw the wild eyed crazies in Milwaukee's McCain rally. These are the white trash, gun toting, toothless James Earl Ray types that might do something drastic. "
BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:16 AM:
" Dear "excuse me".....what is that cowardly krappe you're propagating? "Not in your white house"? WTF does that mean? And if Obama wins by a landslide......you gonna maintain this hallucinogenic viewpoint? It's the anonymous fearmongering inciters like you, and alot of the mobs that cheer the desperate right wings extremist lies, that threaten the USA the most.....more than Bin Laden could ever imagine. If we have terrorists associating in the USA the past 8 years in the open why haven't the Republican led Homeland Security officials done anything to them? Your pathetic fear tactics ain't working this year.. "
Rickey wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:14 AM:
" I am glad You brought up 9-11, While We are in Iraq the troops are too thin in Afghanistan and the Taliban is in the most control ever . Reminder= Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11,They never had WMD and We are spending 10 BBBillion a month there "
BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:07 AM:
" McCain will try to blame the financial crisis on "fannie and Freddie", the current right wing talking point of the moment, but that then reflects a very narrow and limited understanding of this crisis. Sure Fannie and Freddie are the source of many ills but it was the big Wall Street houses who entered the mortgage business, thanks to deregulation, that did the motherlode of the damage. Coupled with republicans reducing the SEC......the financial police force...this crisis has Republican DNA all over it. These solid conservative financial institutions were running with 33 to 1 debt to capital ratios. That's just plain stupid. I'm curious as to which John McCain will show up in Lacrosse today. "
excuseme wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:00 AM:
" O_ama Bi_ __den.
Fill in the blanks.
Scary thought.
Not in my White House thanks.
You liberals remember Reagan, but seem to have forgotten 9/11. "
Rickey wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:49 AM:
" The economy He is talking about is a continuation of Reaganomics,Yes trickle down/supply side, tax cutting',Deficit spending and bail out economy that is not good for General Motors or Wall Street "
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