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Published - Friday, October 10, 2008

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City renews intent to condemn Copeland Avenue billboard


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The La Crosse Common Council on Thursday recommitted itself to condemnation of a Copeland Avenue billboard considered an impediment to building an extended stay hotel.

The hotel’s future was in doubt in the wake of a council decision to charge the developer, NSD Hotel Associates, for any attorney’s fees resulting from the condemnation and subsequent lawsuits.
NSD attorney Phil Addis said his clients would drop its plans for the 92-room extended stay hotel just north of Three Rivers Plaza if the council didn’t reverse its decision.

“If the amendment stays in the contract, we’re not signing the contract,” Addis told the council. “If you adopt the amendment, we’re not building.”

Having the developer foot the bill would undermine the city’s position the condemnation was for a public purpose, not private.

“The amendment we adopted creates the impression for possibility of a private condemnation as opposed to a public condemnation, and a private condemnation would be a violation of state law,” council member Doug Farmer said.

Collins Outdoor Advertising, which owns the billboard, has called the declared public purpose — to provide marsh access — superficial, meant only to prop up the condemnation in court.

Collins representative Keith Carson also acknowledged his company helped draft the measure that states the developer would bear the condemnation expenses.

Collins has vowed to fight the condemnation in court.

“Do you honestly believe an amendment drafted by Collins Sign is designed to help you win your case?” Addis asked the council.

A number of council members and the developer also objected to the way the amendment was passed, summarily and without any input from the developer.

“It was done in the dead of night and it was bad public policy and it shouldn’t have been done,” Farmer said.
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kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 18, 2008 12:26 AM:

" To "They Call Me Gumby": This is a move it or lose it circumstance. Like if it was in the middle of future road. Coming through like it or not. If the city owns the very property the sign is on, then the city can make the party move it or lose it at that party's loss including the cost of removal. The sooner this gets done, the sooner the project gets done. I just wonder if this will delay when the TIF for this project gets repaid? "

THEY CALL ME GUMBY wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:40 PM:

" HOW IN THE F'N WORLD DO YOU CONDEMN A BILLBOARD? ITS NOT LIKE ANYONES LIVING IN IT OR ON IT...WTF!!! "

Myturn wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:57 PM:

" 'The Nine'! I could recite them before the vote. But wait, I will gather the voting flow of the last important projects and display them on an understandable flow chart, in media outlets, before the election, with our Mayoral lineup. By the way let's talk about two 'housing' projects. One out on B when the ran the devloper literally ragged, and one on the Northside. Knocked off the table recently by Czar Kirch's unilateral and powerful swipe. Hey, how about a Planning Committee view? Now, there is an idea! "

Myturn wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:29 PM:

" You gotta love this. Somehow we have Kami attempting to change direction and history of this project. It failed in Ona, it failed at Hooter's. They knew the sign was there, they infused a $100k road to nowhere to get around State Law, and now after our Trillion dollar bailout, $45mil jail, and $18.5mil for HVAC (nobody know how much is for air cond?) , $15.9 mil for "700" LHI employees in Building One in a meeting room/warming kitchen we are going to contribute state monies we contribute to, that sidestep local tax coffers, to contribute to the legal fight between one of highest property tax payers for over 60 years??????? Go get em Kami! "

kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:54 AM:

" I'm sorry Krusty but the city owns the land in question or else they could not have had the tenants removed already. The billboard must go. There are an excessive amount of them on the Causeway and the need to reduce the number is there. The sign interferes with the city's right to zone and control commerce within its jurisdiction. This is under homerule and Collins would lose in that kind of case. "

wangchung wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:24 PM:

" our city officials have NOTHING better to do?! how pathetic. "

CJ wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:59 AM:

" I agree with Mack 100% look at all the $$$$$$$$$$$$ hospitals etc. spend to advertise. That's why a 5 minute hello referral runs $100 It's sick...... "

Myturn wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Didn't Addis get taxpayer money for his rehab of Rowleys? Where does a Northsider get a key to this club? Actually, where does this Northsider get a number to call his Councilman? Since Hardin also handed down a ruling that we do not deserve one until April 2009????? "

Myturn wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Then add to that, Park/Rec Director Carlyon is involved in a $35k Audit of Pettibone Campground that has been looming for over three years. Why did Carlyon 'order' surveying at the entrance to the Campground, in which we are led to believe as the surveyors statements were about 'signs' as well? But we can condemn Patros 12 acres to garner 3 acres of buildable land???? When you can figure these guyz out, let me know! Does nothing FLOW for this Administration easily? "

Myturn wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:52 AM:

" First, Farmer should have recused himself. His wife works for Addis, Addis represents NSD. Second the TIF money is our WI tax money. Not really intended to condemn signs. Now, does this mean that the $100k road to nowhere and a swamp viewing deck is not needed to sidestep State laws in regard to a condemantion such as this one. So now what? Taxpayer costs for a swamp platform and street, and attorney fees. Didn't the 6 figure 'Planning'/Inspection Czar see the sign before? Tell me this, Why can we spend this kind of money to condemn a sign, and we cannot logically flow to condemn 60' of Barron Island owned by the Royal Family for a project? "

Darwin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:31 AM:

" I agree with frog on the voting... ALL council votes should be published along with the summary of the meetings. Lord knows the council takes its sweet time publishing them online. What's the harm in listing the votes, Sam? "

Mack wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:31 AM:

" Condemn them all. Hospitals and clinics have almost taken over billboard and television advertising anyway. Why do hospitals and clinics even have to advertise? There's goes our healthcare dollars. "

just the facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:23 AM:

" I do not know if Ms. Farmer is employed by Mr. Addis, but I do know that Farmer is a business partner of Addis in several ventures!You are right, Farmer should not only abstain from all discussion on this matter, but according to Roberts rules of order, should completely excuse himself from the room! His illeagel behavior in the past, is that he will participate in the discussion on a matter in which he has a personal or monetary interest then turn off his attendence light an d walk to the back of the room. "

frog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:02 AM:

" Hey Sam whats the vote? lets get with it girl and do some real reporting and tell Mr. Bill to shove it!!! "

jmn wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:55 AM:

" City wanted to condemn billboard site to provide ""better marsh access"..what a lame excuse. I agree with sign company the motel developers should pay for all legal proceedings if they want to proceed. "

The Moderate wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:50 AM:

" Do you honestly believe an amendment drafted by Collins Sign is designed to help you win your case? Addis asked the council.

So is PA saying that an amendment drafted by NSD is designed to help the City? It appeats that what he is saying is that Collins will be taking us to court and that the City should pay for it.

And how about maybe Farmer withdrawing from participation. Isn't Mrs. Farmer employed by Addis? "

Krusty wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:16 AM:

" I would like to see which way each council person voted. The city is going to end up spending lots of our tax money again on stupidity. I hate billboards, but it is on private property and the city has no right to condemn it. Who will the city condemn next for private gain? "


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