ragnar wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:09 PM:
" and another thing. How do you speak out against something that is wrong when it has already happened? when a bomb gets dropped onto a house of innocents whose fault is it? its definitely not an E5 team leader that has 5 bosses telling him what to do. "
ragnar wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:05 PM:
" willie:
tell me then, what part of jsoc were you a part of, or do you even know what the means? its interesting how gutless someone can be when they are behind the keyboard. there is no arguing the truth of the matter that obama has voted 90% of the time for vets benefits while mccain has only voted 50% of the time. and the reason there was only 30 people there was the same reason why you weren't there, because you really don't give a damn about the troops because you never were one. "
greenzio wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:44 PM:
" @ just the facts
"To Clumpner and Lee, YOU DISHONOR YOUR COUNTRY!"
Really? Since when is having an opinion dishonoring your country? They want to see the country changed for the better, and also do not want us to stumble into an unnecessary war, blinded by a false sense of patriotism after 9/11. This is not badmouthing our country, it is showing the lack of judgment and preparation by the Bush administration in rushing us into Iraq, when as these young veterans have said, the mission of fighting terrorism should have been focused on Afghanistan.
They also are bringing up the need for more funding for veterans when they get back in order to get the services that we owe them.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_mccain_have_a_perfect_voting_record.html
Mccain only has a 20% rating from DAV "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:39 AM:
" Krusty Earl: Are you ready to return to active duty? There is a need for firepower in Afghanistan and with your mouth let alone a gun in hand, maybe you could finally get things under control. But that would mean getting yourself under control and the bloggers here know how hard that would be. I know you wouldn't get bin Laden because he's in Pakistan and Bush says he's not important. Too bad Americans were fooled to agree with him in 2004 and we are still paying the price. "
common-cents wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:17 PM:
" Obama is a lier, wake up people. be careful what you wish for. Vote McCain "
jellybean wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:35 PM:
" Krusty, I think that your comment to new world order just proves that your views are like your name "krusty" "
Citizen75 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:32 PM:
" cont. What would WWII look like if every whiner had his chance to get up in front of a crowd and whine how bad it is. Did they whine every 1ST and 15th when the LES came in? How about the enlistment bonus? Probably not. If I had soldiers like this in combat I think I would have to move on down the line. Those guys forgot the first rule of in war. It sucks and drive on and that's how the big green weenie works. "
Citizen75 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:28 PM:
" Right on Willie. "war is violence pushed to its utmost bounds" -Clausewitz. There is nothing nice about war. I have been there too. Is nasty, nasty business. That's why I love to read all this passionate talk on the blogs. True soldiers don't have that option in war. They due as they are told, and yes it sucks. But the argument ends with muzzle end of a M-4, 240B or the Ma D. Then all talking stops. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:51 AM:
" Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM:
" Vets need to take notice, in the VFW magazine both candidates are interviewed and Obama wants to pay for increased veterans' benefits with "money saved by ending the war in Iraq".
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Willie:
That sound really good, but Senator Obama wants to pay for everything with the savings from Iraq. The math just doesn't add up.
If he's elected, I hope that he does all of what he said he's going to do.
Time will tell. "
GoodListener wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:46 AM:
" Right on, Willie!! "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:31 AM:
" It also looks like these guys were shocked by the reality of war. It isn't all sanitary like it is in the video games where you only kill the bad guys. War does distrupt every life involved, that is why John McCain was for more diplomacy to avoid a war in the first place. He also realizes when diplomacy fails it is an all or nothing event that requires full support from the people and the government, which is no longer the case here. We the people have gotten too soft and the American "empire" is near collapse because of it. We can only hope to come out as well as the British when their empire collapsed. Worst case scenario we are facing the problems of the Roman empire under Caligula and Nero! "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:18 AM:
" There are two types of cowards, those afraid to fight and those lacking the intestinal fortitude to speak out against what is wrong, especially in leadership. Personally I think the latter is the hardest to do. Sometimes it takes all of your personal courage to do. There are ways around the chain of command when the chain fails or is corrupted. The IG can fix it if it is warranted. I have had one of my company commanders relieved and one of my battalion commanders was relieved for conducting a "secret mission". If Clumpner was a true hero he could have tried to remedy the problem instead of this method which challenges the public confidence in the military. In my book he is the worst kind of coward. "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:11 AM:
" Clumpner sounds like on of these guys I meet from time to time that are attached to a special operations force and claims the go on all of these secret missions (which they often do), only to find out researching to find out they were guarding a tent or building (or stuck on the FOB working in the MWR tent) while the unit is on operations. They are usually cooks or clerks in those units and want to justify wearing the patch. One example I have from my career was a friend of mine in college that claimed he was on all these operations with the 82nd Airborne. I later found out through a MI buddy that he was injured in jump school and medically chaptered out of the Army. He pulled some strings after he healed (probably a medical review board) and joined the Iowa guards. "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:11 AM:
" "Clumpner, who urged everyone to get out and vote next month, said the reality is any of three could be called back into service."
Does Clumpner think Obama will save him from that?
It's nice to know there were only 30 people interested. "
Bears fan in Wisconsin wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM:
" Clearly, "just the facts" you've never been in the military. You can't just "spout off" you do as you're told, you follow orders. period. Why is it that you can't be a veteran/active duty soldier and be a democrat, or for that matter, disagree with the war? Perhaps you turds should enlist and do a tour in Iraq, see the atrocities that these people have seen, woman and children killed, soldiers blown up, head trama, missing limbs, etc. Most folks don't enlist for that! "
Willie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM:
" Vets need to take notice, in the VFW magazine both candidates are interviewed and Obama wants to pay for increased veterans' benefits with "money saved by ending the war in Iraq". The war will end in two years at the earliest enven on his timeline and he advocates increasing the force in Afghanistan (how will he pay for that?) We are running a huge deficit in Iraq, so does that mean he wants to run a deficit for vet benefits? Where will the money truely come from. Bottom line will be raise taxes or no new benefits for vets because there will be no new money. Obama will be no friend of the veterans. Vets will be better served by a vet! "
Common Sense wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:01 AM:
" Several years ago, I emailed the Trib and said I would like to see stories about our soldiers and what they are experiencing with the people over there, etc. How many of those have we seen? I personally know a soldier who has been there and believes we need to finish the mission. Those guys just come home and go back to work and don't try to grab the spotlight by badmouthing their country, so they don't get any attention. Thanks alot, Trib. "
Krusty wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:32 AM:
" New world order: your father sounds like kind of a scumbag, the kind who doesn't like the military but is only there to get the benefits. Why do I have a feeling he also has a VA disability claim in also? I deployed with a few college kids (most were good) who were only in for the "benefits" like free tuition, when it came time to go to war they really showed their true colors, and their cowardly ways, just like most liberals today, cut and run. "
just the facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:59 AM:
" IF Sgt. Clumpner witnessed some atrocious acts he should have spouted off, he was in a command position and could not have been ignored! He seems to have found plenty of courage now. What the hell did these three think when they signed up, that they would have a lark, or did they just do it for the money? How did anyone know about this performance, including LaCrosse's Lee Ross? You can support whoever you want, but don't try to fill up my shorts! "
new world order wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:56 AM:
" My father spent 20 years in the military and has always been a Democrat, and today at 73 years of age, he supports Barack Obama. What's wrong with that? He's a veteran who really isn't proud of his military service. The only reason he stayed 20 years is for the benefits that will last him and my mother until the day they die. "
just the facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:42 AM:
" I would NOT want to be in combat with these three. Their judgement about who supported the war seems to be foggy! Who's payroll are they on? Which group funded or payed them to be here? Which campus will they appear next? Who contacted the Tribune to cover this story ? Are they active duty, reserves , or simply using up government benefits? Where are they from? Where do they get this free time? Who pays their expenses? To Clumpner and Lee, YOU DISHONOR YOUR COUNTRY! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:38 AM:
" Krusty:
If that poll is accurate, perhaps a little background "reporting" by the Tribune would have found that information and included that in the story.
Oh, wait. Let's see, "Tribune" and "reporting" in the same sentence.
My bad. "
Krusty wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:08 AM:
" How about an article on the majority of veterans who support McCain? A recent poll by Military.com shows that 70% of the active duty Military supports McCain, 29% support obama, and 1% are undecided. "
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