Just Say No to McCain wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:42 PM:
" my username says it all "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:02 AM:
" DM420: Your problem is that there is no real reason to support the GOP this year. I pointed out the failures and ask you why are we here. The blame goes to Bush's leadership and those who supported him like McCain. Unfortunately, until we elected and inaugurate our new President Obama, we will continue in this mess. I look forward to this and the beginning of repairing this country needs immediately. "
illiminnesconi wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:22 PM:
" I lived in Chicago before and I won't even vote for Obama. He's all talk no action. He'll cheat his way to the top like he did against Alice Palmer from the 13rd Ward. Apparently he had "just enough" signatures to beat her and run unopposed. Guess who she endorsed for this years president? Hillary Clinton! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:39 PM:
" *Not "
DM420 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:39 PM:
" kamikazefaase,
You having to ask why this country is great speaks volumes about your intelligence, ignorance and nescient understanding of other country's.
Maybe you and Michelle Obama can get together and rally about no being proud of your country. Your a sad, sad person. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:30 AM:
" DM420: What's so great about this country? A country in fiscal crisis. Unemployment rising. Prices higher in gas, groceries, health care and insurance. Stagnant wages for American workers. Significantly higher home foreclosures. Stocks tumbling to numbers below when Bush became president. Failure to control government spending by the "borrow and spend" party. American military in two war fronts with no manpower to go after the real criminal hiding out in Pakistan. It's hard to run this country further into the ground unless you're trying to prolong the agony of the poor and middle class to support the CEO's and the wealthy. McCain's policies would do just that. Obama will change the course that most Americans agree knowing we are already off the main track. Maybe you are off to Disneyland, but real people are seeing the truth that Reaganomics and Rove tactics don't work for them at all. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:14 PM:
" kamikazefaase,
Why don't you simply vote for Obama and when this great ship of a country runs aground, don't you dare say no one warned you.
But who am I kidding, if you've got the gall to complain about a true hero; surely you'll turn your back on an ignorant man, one from Chicago. " "
Twilite wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:58 AM:
" Gotta love liberal, brainwashing media. The picture on the main page of tribune.com is Obama rally. That's old news, Tribune. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:30 AM:
" Hey Jesus, you're renaming me. Real cute! I'm not lazy at all. Deal with cancer and see how much you do. Then have a CT scan tech botch up her job resulting in tearing up your rotator cuff and see how much work you can get done. No time to sit on the porch because there is no government check coming to help me out either. And nothing from church either. So unless you are a Latino named Jesus, you fail to represent the real one's true values. So stop mocking a true hero by taking his name in vain. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:18 AM:
" Here's more for dm420: First, does dm stand for "dumb mother" or "dumb monkey"? Second, I'm a contributor to the system, not someone sucking from it...no government checks here? I both criticize and offer solutions which is much more than I get from thoses like you. As far as running the country into the ground, we can thank the conservatives for that already, can't we? "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:05 AM:
" To Jesus and dm420: It seems the dumb bunnies are out as usual. First off, I don't receive any government checks including welfare or Social Security. Why is it someone who disagrees with you getting some sort of government check? It's because of your ignorance that's why? You assume too much and you should know where that leads. Furthermore, I have both college and technical education so again you know nothing. Just because McCain't isn't the war hero you think he is makes you look dumb. I still see the angry man for what he is: the liar, traitor, Herbert Hoover, rich, and lack of family values individual he really is. The fools for McCain are just that, FOOLS! "
dm420 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:47 PM:
" To kamikazefaase's comment on McCain not being a hero...
Well sir, what have you (or Obama for that matter) done to help your country in a time of need. Remember, complaining on blog doesn't count. It's simple-minded, disreputable persons such as yourself that will suck the system dry...all while you complaining about those that make it work. These people you criticize and disgrace are the ones that allow you to enjoy the lifestyle you lead today.
Do I expect you to understand this...no. Why don't you simply vote for Obama and when this great ship of a country runs aground, don't you dare say no one warned you.
But who am I kidding, if you've got the gall to complain about a true hero; surely you'll turn your back on an ignorant man, one from Chicago. "
Jesus wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:13 AM:
" kamikazefaase won't be happy until the United States of America is a totally communist country. One big problem though CommyCuzYouLazy. You will probably have to get off your porch and go find employment. There won't be no free welfare checks for you anymore. If you want everything to be the same for everyone, then you will have to work the same as everyone else does. You should have went to school instead of choosing the path you chose. At some point you are going to have to take some responsillity for your own stupidity. Oh by the way, the postal service doesn't run tomorrow, so you can go inside and take a break from waiting for the mailman to bring your check. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:38 AM:
" I can't believe the number of fools for McCain't. He won't fix this economy with deregulation and continuing the Bush tax policies rewarding the wealthy and not trickling down to the middle class. He can't fix health insurance by taxing those with employer sponsored insurance. Voting for McCain't is like voting for Hoover in the 1928 election. Neither knows how to use government to fix things. Besides, McCain's war hero status is questionable because of the secrets he gave the enemy during his POW days in Vietnam which aided in our defeat there. As the evidence mounts, McCain continues to prove he's NOT the man for the job. He lacks the even temperment needed to lead both our country and the world during these crisis. Instead of "drill, baby, drill", it should be "lose, McCain, lose" for the betterment of all of us, not just a select few. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:04 PM:
" "I can see why you want to vote for McCain you like generalization without the details."
I don't know the details... Please. First off their is no Christian SEC in Iraq. Hello this is the Middle East!!! It's the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds.
While the Iraqi police and army are dominated by Shiites, they want peace and actively promote it. Why don't you do a little research of your own and rely less on what the Obama campaign tells you!
It's funny how you support Obama, yet his plans include sending troops to Afgainstan (effectively spending the same amount of $ there as we do in Iraq)
The Truth will set you free! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:54 PM:
" "couldn't the billions of dollars we are spending in Iraq be put to better use protecting our ports, railways, airports, etc"
Damn man, don't you listen. That money is deficit spending... you can't apply it to other area's. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:38 PM:
" DM420 so you don't know who comprises the Iraqi Army.
This is why I don't accept your idea of staying in Iraq. You don't understand the dynamics that are happening there.
I can see why you want to vote for McCain you like generalization without the details.
The army is made up largely of Shia whom don't like the Sunnis or the Christians. So turning the country over to the Iraqi Army means that the Shia will control the country and the Sunnis and Christians will be left fend for themselves. That means we will never be able to leave Iraq. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:29 PM:
" mytwocents not sure what the wink means but it seems like the terrorists were under control until Bush took over.
The "terrorists" only got into Iraq once we destablized the country. Actually, Saddam was an enemy of al Qaeda because of his ties to the West.
And couldn't the billions of dollars we are spending in Iraq be put to better use protecting our ports, railways, airports, etc.. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:27 PM:
" who comprises the Iraq Guard? Is it Shia, Sunni or Christians?
It is the Iraqi army, as created by their newly elected government. It is comprised of all three secs. Not all of them want war and fighting and as such they are promoting law and order. As I said before, if we don't cut and run, we will win before the next election. "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:25 PM:
" logically; I believe that McCain has got enough experience to lead the Country. He`s been through the war and knows what it is about. I`ll Vote McCain and be proud of it. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:25 PM:
" DM420 mitzi just stated that being elected to Senate or House doesn't give anyone experience for the presidency.
So are you saying that these position do give someone the experience needed to be President? "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:24 PM:
" Logically..get a grip..it is much...much better for us as Americans to have the war on terror fought off of our land. Terrorists are in Iraq rather than here...and so is the BEST OF OUR MILITARY. Keep it there.
btw..everytime I chime in on comment section they remove it. wink
We cannot let our eye off the ball.. I am afraid that this economy is taking over the election. "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:20 PM:
" Logically? You need to study a little more. There are many MANY factions out there who want to do us harm. We CANNOT relax. I am afraid, very afraid. Our number one issue should be the safety of Americans.
VOTE EXPERIENCE
If you want to get me going on the economy..well, I've read this comment section (wish is was a blog) bring it on.
wink "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:18 PM:
" mitzi how many of the terrorist came from Iraq that destroyed the Towers? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:18 PM:
" "mitzi you must agree then that McCain isn't ready to lead based on his experience."
Well, on one hand you have a one term Senator, with no military experience, during a time of war.
One the other hand, you have a man that spent 22 years in the Navy, served as a U.S. Congressman and then four terms as a Senator.
Honestly, your statement sounds pretty ignorant. You can't really argue experience, without sounding ignorant. Fortunately for Obama, it seems the American people are more interesting in style, as apposed to substance. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:16 PM:
" DM420 who comprises the Iraq Guard? Is it Shia, Sunni or Christians?
And once they control Iraq what is to prevent the Shia majority from killing the Sunnis or Christians?
And if that happens will the US go back in?
And is it really cutting and running if we have achieved our goal of removing Saddam from power and helping Iraq to hold elections.
Under your idea of winning we will never be able to leave Iraq. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:10 PM:
" "In your opinion how will we know if we have won the war in Iraq?"
When the Iraqi Guard controlling the entire country. Judging by planed troop withdraws, we should be done in Iraq before the the next president is up for re-election, assuming we don't cut and run. "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:04 PM:
" mytwocents: I`m with you I think the people forget what started this whole war, it wasn`t the American`s it was the terrorist.If we leave Iraq now they will be in America and next time it will be alot worse. I`m with you VOTE EXPERIENCE.>>>>>>>>>> "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:01 PM:
" mitzi you must agree then that McCain isn't ready to lead based on his experience. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:59 PM:
" mytwocents there have been terrorist attacks everyday in the US. Anytime someone assaults or murders someone or threatens someone its a terrorist attack.
Terrorism is an idea that people can get what they want by terrorizing other people. People who believe in this idea are terrorist and they come from all countries and all walks of life. "
mytwocents wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:52 PM:
" Speaking of the war...
Better there than here.. we have been FREE of an attack on our soil since 9/11. We need to keep it that way...VOTE EXPERIENCE. I also hope that with the economical crisis we are in "they" don't forget the threat that still exists.
Don't take your eye off the ball.
Amazing that many people think we are fighting two wars...we are not. We are fighting the war against terrorists. Many, want to see us done.
Vote EXPERIENCE "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:51 PM:
" Logically: No I don`t believe that being elected to the house or Senate gives anyone the experience for the Presidency, that is why after 143 days Obama is not ready to lead the American people.
No the Two jobs are not at all alike. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:46 PM:
" DM420 Pay as You Go is what was instituted under Clinton. Basically means you cut something if you have pay for something else.
In your opinion how will we know if we have won the war in Iraq? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:29 PM:
" "Returning to Pay as you Go budgeting for the federal government."
Don't tell me you honestly believe that! Out of both candidates, Obama is proposing the largest increase in spending. McCain, even with the war in Iraq, will spend much less then Obama. Not to meantion, Obama wants to send troops to Afghanistan.
If you truly believe in this, voting for Obama would be counter-intuitive. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:24 PM:
" "which group of the three that are fighting each other are we handing it over to?"
None of them, it's a democracy.
"So without law and rules they are now attacking each other"
Their is law and order in the cities that we got control of and handed over to the Iraqi Guard. They are building schools and Library as we speak. It has gotten much better over their this year, which I why I propose we stay. I'm not some whacked out right-wing nut job that will never admit defeat. But the truth is, where really making progress now.
"How do you plan on winning a war in a country that is so divided among themselves?"
Their not anymore divided then our country is right now. We simply have law and order and if given the chance, so will they. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:16 PM:
" Dm420 which group of the three that are fighting each other are we handing it over to?
That is why it isn't working. We are trying to free people that hate each other. So without law and rules they are now attacking each other.
By getting rid of Saddam we have also brought Iran into play. How do you plan on winning a war in a country that is so divided among themselves? "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:13 PM:
" DM420 the main thing for me is the war. I think we save a lot of money ending the war.
But other things I agree with: 1) Amend NAFTA this has driven jobs out of the country. 2)Ending tax break for companies that move factories over seas. 3)Returning to Pay as you Go budgeting for the federal government.
What we truly need is a person who will cut spending and raise taxes to get rid of the deficit but it will never happen. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:05 PM:
" "If it worked once it will work again."
I don't think so. Last time we left Saddam in power and his oppression on the Iraqies was the glue that held the country together. By removing him, we freeed the people. Unfortionnely, the people are composed of three groups that HATE each other.
When Saddam was around, everyone was focusing on not getting killed by is tyranny. With that threat removed, they can focus on killing each other full-time. This fighting causes instability...which leads to terrorists moving in. After all this fighting, creates a safe haven for them.
That's why we need to finish the war (by securing an area, then handing it over to the Iraqi's to control.) Otherwise, we will be back again....just like last time. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:58 PM:
" Logically,
Getting away from the war for a minute, why do you feel Obama's policy's are more beneficial (even though they will continue to increase the deficit as Bush admin station levels)for the country? "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:55 PM:
" DM420 during the first Iraq war we simply left the country and it seemed to work. Our economy got back on track and began to dig ourselves out of our financial mess.
Why not do the same thing? If it worked once it will work again.
So you want to elect someone who has admitted that they don't really understand economics to run the country during a time of an economic crisis? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:49 PM:
" Once the war is done, then yes, we can fix the financial problem.
If we simply leave, we will more then likely end up going back someday, so you blackjack analogy isn't entirely valid. Were not gambling, because there is no strategy in gambling. Were simply paying too much to fix the problem. I'd rather over pay once, then have to come back in 10 years and overpay twice.
You are right about nether candidate being perfect! Both have their faults, but, McCain is the only one that has a chance of fixing this. Obama is simply pandering to voters, giving them everything they want. We can't afford that and we will only be in a worse place in 4 years if he wins.
Sometimes we NEED the things that we don't want! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:33 PM:
" DM420 a better example would be playing blackjack.
Let say you put down $500 and lose paying blackjack.
Should you go into debt continuing to play blackjack until you win because you have already lost $500?
With a car you know what you are getting, in blackjack and in war you don't know what the outcome will be. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:24 PM:
" DM420 thanks. I don't believe in the name calling. Doesn't really help the situation America is in.
I think we both understand what needs to be done and I think we both agree that neither candidate is the best choice.
My feeling is that until we end the war we won't be able to get our finances in order because of the cost.
I am assuming from your statements that you feel continuing the war and instituting a budget freeze while reducing taxes will get us out of our financial mess. I just disagree with that. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:22 PM:
" "So in your world I should spend $10,000 to repair a $1000 car so I don't lose my initial $1000? That just doesn't make sense."
Be realistic with you numbers,
Car- $12,000
Engine- $3000
Tranny- $3000
Is it worth it... if you already sunk 3K into the engine, and are faced with the option of:
Spend 3K on a different car, with unknown problems.
Spend another 3K to fix the car worth 12K and have a brand new engine and tranny.
It obviously makes since to repair the car, even though it was expensive.
This is were we are in Iraq:
-fix the problem for an overpriced amount and have something to show for it.
- Lose a lot of money (but not as much as fixing it) and have nothing.
You'd be a fool to leave now... "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:12 PM:
" "DM420 I asked that you name some programs. It would be impossible to freeze everything but defense, entitlements and veteran affairs."
Why? They would still operate, just with no increased revenue from last years budget. NASA,IRS,TSA,FEMA,ICE...ect to name a few off the top of my head.
"And if he freezes everything but those three things then how will he implement his programs?
He wants to buy up mortgages, give health care credit. "
The Mortgage programs comes from the bailout bill(personally, I think it's better to help the homeowners then a bank!) Health care is a credit, not program, so it's budget neutral. The other programs you named are put on hold or frozen.
Might I add, I appreciate being able to have an intelligent discussion ( no name calling..ect) with you. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:06 PM:
" Dm420 just so I get your example straight. You advocate paying to repair a car that continually breaks down so that you don't lose that initial investment?
So in your world I should spend $10,000 to repair a $1000 car so I don't lose my initial $1000? That just doesn't make sense.
Is that really what you would do? I guess if the car was costing me too much money I would just get rid of it. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:02 PM:
" DM420 I asked that you name some programs. It would be impossible to freeze everything but defense, entitlements and veteran affairs.
This is a generalization that doesn't give us any concrete answer as to what he would freeze.
And if he freezes everything but those three things then how will he implement his programs?
He wants to buy up mortgages, give health care credit and not to mention providing government support for space exploration, immigration, and provide a tax credit for R and D. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:58 PM:
" Ok logically, I'll break it down further...
We don't have the money for Iraq, so we borrow it (like a credit card). Right now that we've spent 500 billion on the war. If we leave, it was all a waste. Think of it like a car repair. Say you blow your engine, but the car is otherwise in great shape. So you fix it and then the tranny goes out. You can get rid of the car entirely and waste all the money you've already put into it, or replace the tranny and at least get something... albeit at an overpriced cost.
Where on the right track in Iraq, McCain even wants to draw down troops...so why leave now. Lets just finish the damn thing, leave, and start being responsible with our spending. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:48 PM:
" mitzi I agree with you in one respect being elected to the House or Senate doesn't give you any experience to be President. Do you really believe that being elected to the Senate or House gives anyone the experience to be President?
Explain to me what the President does that is like what a Senator or Congressman does? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:47 PM:
" Logically,
You said-
"He(McCain) doesn't seem to support what he says."
How about Obama-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY2wa_cDXjI
The truth is nether candidate will do everything they say. But McCain at least understands what must be done. Obama ignores reality and keeps proposing spending....Just like BUSH!!! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:45 PM:
" DM420 again you make contradictory statements. You say we can't afford the spending we currently have in Iraq. Then you say that we have to pay the money back that its like a credit card. Then at the end you say we need to continue "charging" the war and running up an even higher deficit. Does that even make sense?
McCain has said that we could be in Iraq for 100 years. Are you advocating "charging" the war in Iraq for 100 years? "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:44 PM:
" We all have to start somewhere, the Senate is a good starrt, but after 143 days-- that`s all it is --a start. And strangely a large sector of the American Public is O.K. with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn`t accept this in our own line of work, yet some are O.K. with this for the President of the United States of America???? Come on folks we are not voting for the next American Idol. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:42 PM:
" Logically,
McCain said, "...How about a spending freeze on everything but defense, veterans affairs and entitlement programs?"
Sure there's a lot that will still get funded, but their is a TON that won't. We need CUTS, this is a better start then Obama's Trillion dollar INCREASE!! "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:38 PM:
" From the time Barak Obama was sworn in as a U.S. Senator to the time he announced he was forming a Presidental exploarty comm. he logged in 143 days of experience with the Senate. That`s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of experience Obama believed he was ready to be Comander In Chief--Leader of the Free World--143 days.
Continued "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:38 PM:
" " Dm420 you are overlooking the fact that if we pull out of Iraq he can use those funds to fund his programs at the same rate we are currently at.
NO HE CAN'T. The Iraq was is currently funded on deficit spending. It's like putting it on a credit card. We have to pay that money back, so you can't use those fund for other programs.
That's what people don't understand about Obama. We can't afford his programs. If we pulled out of the war today and didn't spend a dime more, we wouldn't even BREAK EVEN. We need CUTS and we need them now. With 500 billion invested in Iraq, lets finish it and get frugal. It's obvious only one man can do that. We can't afford all the BS spending Obama proposes!!!!! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:36 PM:
" DM420 name me 3 things that McCain will institute a budget freeze on?
McCain has made promises that he is already backtracking on. He said he would stop pork barrel spending but he voted for the bailout bill which include tons of pork barrel spending.
He doesn't seem to support what he says. "
mitzi wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:33 PM:
" You couldn`t get a job at McDonalds and become District Manager after 143 days of experience.You couldn`t become Chief of Surgery after 143 days of experience of being a Surgeon. You couldn`t get a job as a teacher and be a Superintendent after 143 days of experience. You couldn`t join the Military and become a Colonel after 143 days of experience. You couldn`t get a job as a reporter and become the Nightly News Anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT/////// Continued: "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:31 PM:
" "You are right McCain has proposed a budget freeze, but he hasn't stated what he would freeze."
Yes he has. Do a little research, it will set you free! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:28 PM:
" Spending Continued-
-Support College Outreach Programs
-Create a national "Make College A Reality"
-Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit
-Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles.
-Create an economy-wide cap-and-trade program
-Create a "Making Work Pay" Tax Cut
-Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit:
-Expand Paid Sick Days
-Provide Universal Health Care
-Expand Retirement Savings Incentives
-Expand Heating Assistance
-Provide capital for farmers to create value-added enterprises
-Promote Leadership in Renewable Energy
-Provide $37.5 million over 5 years for drinking water systems
-Increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops
-Create a Civilian Assistance Corps
-Create Transparency for Military Contractors
-Require Independent Monitoring of Lobbying Laws and Ethics Rules
-Create a Public Contracts and Influence Database
After giving 95% a tax cut, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS!! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:24 PM:
" Big Spender wrote:
So, you're claiming that high executive salaries caused the F and F woes?
***********************
I'm saying the Democrats drove Fannie into the ground.
Barney:
"I don't see anything in your report that raise safety and soundness problems."
Maxine:
"Mr. Chairman we don't have a crisis particularly at Fannie Mae under the OUTSTANDING leadership of Mr. Frank Raines."
Maxine:
"Under the outstanding leadership of Frank Raines, everything in the 1992 act has worked just fine."
Rep Lacy Clay (D-MO)
"This hearing is about the political lynching of Franklin Raines."
Rep Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Speaking to a regulator that uncovered the accounting issues @ Fannie Mae:
"If it wasn't for you I don't think that we'd be here in the first place."
********
I say thank God they were there!! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:23 PM:
" Dm420 you are overlooking the fact that if we pull out of Iraq he can use those funds to fund his programs at the same rate we are currently at. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:20 PM:
" DM420 we have spend over $500 billion dollars in Iraq and you said we were half way there to winning the war. That means a conservative estimate would put the cost of the Iraq war at $1 trillion dollars.
Obama never has pledged to spend an additional trillion dollars in Iraq not sure where you got that from.
You are right McCain has proposed a budget freeze, but he hasn't stated what he would freeze. Considering his position on the Iraq war I would assume the cuts won't be in war spending. He's not going to freeze Social Security benefits or Medicare and Medicaid. These are the biggest expenses in the U.S. government. So his promise sounds more like a campaign promise than something he is really going to do. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:19 PM:
" Here is a sample of new spending Obama proposes:
(Remember, we will also be paying for Iraq)
-Community-based living for Americans with disabilities
-$1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate
-Provide $50 billion to Jumpstart the Economy
-Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership
-Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies
-Extend the Production Tax Credit
-Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank
-Invest in the Sciences
-Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent
-Deploy Next-Generation Broadband
-Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators
-Create a Universal Mortgage Credit
-Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure
-Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act
-Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities
-Expand Flexible Work Arrangements
-Expand Early Head Start and Head Start "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:38 PM:
" First, off we haven't spent a trillion in Iraq (not even close) and we've been there 4 years. What I do oppose, is spending an additional trillion on top of current spending. That is something Obama pledges to do.
No, but we HAVE to put a halt on current government spending, something McCain proposes.
Why not cut BS spending at home first, finish the war (even McCain plans to withdrawal troops next year)and then focus on the deficit?
This is why I support McCain:
He want to cut spending and impose budget freezes. Obama wants to fund health care, Peace corps, education, build new infrastructure, increase welfare benefits and much more, while still giving 95% a tax cut. Explain to me how that's going to work? "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:18 PM:
" DM420 your statements seem very inconsistent. You don't want taxes to go up but at the same time you want to spend over a trillion dollars in Iraq to save lives and make friends.
If you want to wage war in Iraq then don't you have to raise taxes to cover the cost?
If you don't want to raise taxes then don't you have to cut costs by getting out of the war?
You can't do both and expect to remain financially solvent as a country. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:13 PM:
" Spinner,
Whoops, I was looking at the wrong "your", which I also incorrectly used twice in the sentence. For once, you actually got me! I still stand by my statement that the end. :) "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:10 PM:
" "DM420 your example of the small business is incorrect."
As I said before, it depends on the filing status of the company. While there not taxed on 250K, they are taxed at the same % for having gross profits over 250K
If we quit now, then we wasted the money. But if we stabilize the country, was it money well spent? We spent more on the stupid bailout (in one day)then we've spend on the entire Iraq war.
If saving life, creating peace and making allies in an unfriendly part of the world is a waste, I'd like to hear what a good cause is!
Since the surge, that simply isn't true. Do a bit of research, a lot has changed over their this year! "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:07 PM:
" DUH420, re: "YOUR AN IDIOT!"
No, it should be "YOU'RE AN IDIOT REPUB..."
Read books, little boy: lack of reading is the reason why you're a Republican. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:03 PM:
" DUM420, wrong, you said "your a bit out of your league."
This is incorrect. Use "you're a bit..."
Don't you Republicans read books?
http://hardboiledpoker.blogspot.com/2006/06/figuring-out-if-youre-out-of-your.html "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:58 PM:
" "It's you're, not "your." Grammar 101!"
LOL, not it's your.
Your're = You are. It is a contraction.
Your = is the possessive form of you, referring to something that a person has, or something that belongs to the person.
So it is your. Otherwise it would say
Then with you are infinitesimal education, your a bit out of your league!
YOUR AN IDIOT! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:57 PM:
" DM420 your example of the small business is incorrect. The employees would be considered expenses and would be taken off the $250,000 that the company earned leaving a taxable profit of $70,000. Of course that doesn't include all the deductions for businesses expenses.
I deduce from the statement concerning the war that you don't have any problem spending $1.2 trillion of taxpayers money on trying to "win" the war in Iraq.
If you are a person concerned with taxes, why would you want to waste taxpayers money especially in times of a financial crisis on a war?
Don't forget that when the U.S. leaves a part of Iraq it gets taken back over by the insurgents. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:56 PM:
" To enuff,
So, you're claiming that high executive salaries caused the F and F woes? Well, at least we agree that the conservative view which sets these people above the rest of us financially is fundamentally unsound!
So, you're claiming that F and F woes caused the meltdown? I look forward to your proof! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:48 PM:
" Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:48 PM:
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were victims, not culprits"
*************************
Spender:
Fannie Mae = Democratic Enron
Franklin Raines: As CEO of Fannie Mae earned $90 million over 6 years. As Clinton's OMB director stressed frugality.
Jim Johnson: former Mondale advisor and tasked with handling John Kerry's VP search
Tom Donilon coached Dukakis and Clinton for Presidential debates EVP of Fannie Mae
Jamie Gorelick former Clinton assistant A.G. $25 million in salary and bonuses @ Fannie
John Dailey (yeah, the Mayor's brother) sat on Fannies Board of Directors
Jack Quinn (Gores chief of staff) sat on Fannie board
Yep. It was them rascally Repub's wasn't it?? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:47 PM:
" DUM420, re: "Then with your infinitesimal education, your a bit out of your league!"
It's you're, not "your." Grammar 101! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:43 PM:
" "The real world doesn't follow Econ 101, little boy."
Then with your infinitesimal education, your a bit out of your league! "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:41 PM:
" To enuff, re: "Quit spouting the daily talking points. Engage in logical conversation"
You can't have a logical conversation with Reichwing liars and racists. You have to smack 'em around a bit, and kick 'em in the backside. This is you:
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/10/11/news/07anger11.txt "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:36 PM:
" DUM420: "Commodity futures trading apparently wasn't taught in your 101 class"
The real world doesn't follow Econ 101, little boy. Real markets are manipulated behind the scenes as easily as you McCain backers are manipulated in front of the scenes. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:34 PM:
" To borrow a line,
My memory isn't so good. Can you help me remember how Senator Obama voted on the bailout?? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:33 PM:
" To Bible-Babble Bates, re: "I did discuss the Bible with LOGICALLY after he or she mentioned it. With Big Spender I never did discuss the Bible in this blog, so his reference to the Bible was a side track."
Yawn...you go off into bible-babbleland every five minutes. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:31 PM:
" "You're a bit slow on the uptake today, aren't you? The house is burning down: you get out with what you can and sell it at fire sale prices. Even if you're a cartel Econ 101"
Commodity futures trading apparently wasn't taught in your 101 class... anyways thanks for the laugh! "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:30 PM:
" DUH420, re: "Why tax intelligence and success too redistribute wealth. That's known as socialism!"
Wall Street meltdown is "intelligence and success?" The Bailout/Bushswindle is socialism, for the very rich...which McClown voted for! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:29 PM:
" One last thing....
I did discuss the Bible with LOGICALLY after he or she mentioned it. With Big Spender I never did discuss the Bible in this blog, so his reference to the Bible was a side track.
Things are cleared up now.
Oh, and Big Spender, it seems strange that someone who hates Christians, supports a man who claims to be a Christian. Maybe you know that Obama isn't really a Christian. Very interesting. "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:28 PM:
" Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:36 PM:
Dear Republican Liars:
"Republicans are responsible for financial crisis"
"In the 1990s, after the Republicans took control of Congress, Phil Gramm was able to pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which largely deregulated the banking industry and allowed banks to merge with securities firms. John McCain strongly supported and voted for the bill"
http://xeniagazette.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161044&TM=77851.52 "
*********************
Spender is in serious meltdown mode today!!
Damn. Talking to Spender (Spinner) is like talking to a 2 year old.
As you have already agreed with me previously, I'll remind you that BOTH parties are responsible for the bailout.
Quit spouting the daily talking points. Engage in logical conversation.
I know that it's hard for liberals but please try. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:23 PM:
" Finish the war means Iraq controls it's own security. Right now, the US military takes a section of the country, stabilizes it and hands it over to the Iraq guard. It then repeats the process.
"We left Vietnam the North took over and now they are one of our trade partners."
It's foolish to believe that will work here. In International Relations, that's known as Idealism.
"Your first example doesn't make much sense." Depending on the filing status (ie. LLC, corporation..ect) that gross profit can set your tax rate of you income. So that 70K no longer qualify's for the tax cut, but the 45K the employees make does. Why tax intelligence and success too redistribute wealth. That's known as socialism! "
enuffalready wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:22 PM:
" Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:19 PM:
McCain voted for the 'SOCIALIST' bailout; Bush pushed it.
McCain and Bush don't just relieve big corporations of taxes, they give them BIG SOCIALIST subsidies, i.e., corporate SOCIALIST welfare.
Why are you such a SOCIALIST? "
********************
Spender:
My memory isn't so good. Can you help me remember how Senator Obama voted on the bailout??
****************
Neither should get our vote. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:22 PM:
" To Bible-Babble Bats, re: "I am somewhat confused"
It's good that, finally, you admit to that fact. Read your own posts someday: you just did your bible-babble thang a few posts ago! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:20 PM:
" It's nice to see that at least logically is asking adult questions in a mature way. I would like to stay now that some of Big Spenders childishness is subsiding, but I've got more important things to get done.
Big Spender, I'm still waiting for you to answer my simple questions on your 'service' and an example of political 'change' Obama has brought.
I'll check back tomorrow to see if you can manage some answers. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:18 PM:
" To Bats, re: " also haters of Christians and their beliefs."
Is that a bad thing? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:17 PM:
" To Bats, re: "On Iraq, you must not be paying attention, but not only has Saddam been defeated but the Iraqi government/police/military is already gained the upper hand and our victory over the insurgence is nearly complete."
Republimorons think this "light at the end of the tunnel" crap is worth three trillion dollars.
Once we leave, either Russia will step in, and the new Iraqi strongman will be the next Saddam Hussein or there will be a new civil war between the crazed religionist cults. If we stay long enough to suck out all the oil, perhaps we might break even...in the year 2124. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:13 PM:
" Big Spender says "What logic? All you do is quote fairy stories from the Xtian bible. You wouldn't know logic from a bible on the ground."
Thanks again for demonstrating that Obama followers are also haters of Christians and their beliefs.
I am somewhat confused by your side track....where in this discussion of economics or race did I quote the Bible? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:11 PM:
" DUH420, re: "If they where really controlled by these "Corporatist Republicans" then why would they have dropped the price. "
You're a bit slow on the uptake today, aren't you? The house is burning down: you get out with what you can and sell it at fire sale prices. Even if you're a cartel Econ 101! "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:09 PM:
" DM420 I don't know what cut and run means but please explain what you mean by "finish it"? How do we know when we have won? What are the objectives? If you want to win then the US should just occupy Iraq and rule the country.
I look at just like Vietnam. We left Vietnam the North took over and now they are one of our trade partners.
Your first example doesn't make much sense. If you are small business and you made $70,000 then you would receive a tax break. The four employees would receive a tax break also under Obama's plan. Under McCain's plan they wouldn't receive any tax break. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:07 PM:
" DUM420, re: "So he'll cut and run, negating all the money and effort put into Iraq? Hell, where more then half way done now...why not finish it?"
Idiot Bush will have had nearly SIX years to "finish it," so, after McBush adds FOUR more years, the costs will finish us. They're winning: look at how they've "finished it" to the Western economies! How many trillions are we supposed to throw away until you morons are satisfied? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:05 PM:
" Spinner,
Your the one that claimed they weren't traded on the market! If they where really controlled by these "Corporatist Republicans" then why would they have dropped the price. Using your logic, the prices should have gone up, since there losing money from this tailspin. The only thing you got right here, is the spin!!! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:04 PM:
" to logically,
You believe Obama will give everyone a taxbreak if they make under $250,000 without any kind of proof. Obama has promised tax breaks before but failed to come through when he campaigned in Illinois for his state position. I heard this before from the Democrats when they campaign. Clinton said the same thing but reversed once in office.
On Iraq, you must not be paying attention, but not only has Saddam been defeated but the Iraqi government/police/military is already gained the upper hand and our victory over the insurgence is nearly complete. Even a McCain Presidency will draw down troops in Iraq. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:01 PM:
" Logiclly,
"If you make less than $250,000 a year then you will receive a tax break."
If I'm a small business owner making 250K and have 4 employees that make 45K each I'm left with 70K for my 12 hour days, working weekends/holidays, any new equipment I need and all the risk I took. Remember 9 out of 10 new businesses fail. What a crappy reward for such a huge risk.
I think they both have a crappy health care plan. One is socialized, the other is taxed. I like neither.
Obama will try to end the war in Iraq and go after Bin Laden
So he'll cut and run, negating all the money and effort put into Iraq? Hell, where more then half way done now...why not finish it? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:54 PM:
" This is the DUM420est thing you've said so far in this flame war: "demand has dropped and have have prices."
Duh to the 100th power! Wall Street, Corporatist Republican Wall Street, has sent us into an economic tailspin, so yeah, duh, "demand has dropped and have have [sic] prices." "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:49 PM:
" Yes, oil (wholesale gas) is market traded. If you haven't noticed, demand has dropped and have have prices. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:48 PM:
" Debunking the Bat:
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were victims, not culprits"
"Theres a dangerous and misleading argument making the rounds about the causes of our current credit crisis. Its emanating from Washington where politicians are engaging in the usual blame game but this time the stakes are so high that we cant afford to fall victim to political doublespeak. In this fact-free zone, government sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac caused the real estate bubble and subprime meltdown. Its completely false. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were victims of the credit crisis, not culprits."
"Start with the most basic fact of all: virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie."
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/fannie_mae_and.html "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:46 PM:
" To Bats,
Gramm was McCain's CHIEF economic advisor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:45 PM:
" Former President Clinton Said Democrats Bear Responsibility For Resisting Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Reform. Clinton: I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was President, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (ABC's Good Morning America, 9/25/08) "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:44 PM:
" DUM420, re: "Stocks and Gas prices are market-traded"
You're joking, right? Didn't you learn about cartels in Econ 101? The game is rigged behind the scenes by Bush's buddies on Wall Street. They got too cute, so it collapsed. The Wall Street mess is on the Rethugs! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:43 PM:
" Gramm-Leach-Bliley Passed The Senate 90-8, With The Backing Of Many Obama Supporters Including His Running Mate Joe Biden. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed the Senate on a 90-8 vote, including 38 Democrats and such notable Obama supporters as Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle -- oh, and Joe Biden. Mr. Schumer was especially fulsome in his endorsement. (Editorial, Bill V. Barack On Banks, The Wall Street Journal, 10/1/08) "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:43 PM:
" President Clinton In 1999: The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act makes the most important legislative changes to the structure of the U.S. financial system since the 1930s. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act is a major achievement that will benefit American consumers, communities, and businesses of all sizes. I thank all of those individuals who played a role in the development and passage of this historic legislation. (President Bill Clinton, Statement On The Signing Of The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act Into Law, 11/12/99) "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:41 PM:
" Clinton Said He Didnt Regret Signing The Act Into Law, And Noted The Legislation Wasnt A Complete Deregulation. In BusinessWeek.com, Maria Bartiromo reports that she asked the former President last week whether he regretted signing that legislation. Mr. Clinton's reply: No, because it wasn't a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter. (Editorial, Bill V. Barack On Banks, The Wall Street Journal, 10/1/08) "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:41 PM:
" To Bats, re: "I learned long ago that it is useless to argue logic with illogical people."
What logic? All you do is quote fairy stories from the Xtian bible. You wouldn't know logic from a bible on the ground. "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:41 PM:
" DM420 and Phil here are some reasons to support Obama.
If you make less than $250,000 a year then you will receive a tax break.
If you have health insurance through your employer it will not be taxed as it would be under McCain's plan.
Obama will try to end the war in Iraq and go after Bin Laden.
Please give me the reason you would vote for McCain. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:41 PM:
" Former President Clinton Said The Enactment Of The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act Didnt Have Anything To Do With The Current Crisis. Former President Clinton: But I have really thought about this a lot. I don't see that signing that bill [the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act] had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill. (Editorial, Bill V. Barack On Banks, The Wall Street Journal, 10/1/08) "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:39 PM:
" Spinner,
Time for you too take econ. 101. Stocks and Gas prices are market-traded and Bush has no power over them. Inflation can to a degree be controlled, but many factors play into it. Bush is no more at fault then the majority party in the senate. However, it time to look toward the future. Do you want 4 more years of deficit spending or a spending freeze. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:36 PM:
" Big Spender,
I learned long ago that it is useless to argue logic with illogical people. I have given you plenty of times to show some level of maturity or intelligence to defend your candidate for the President (and not Nader like you at one time supposed), but all you have is name calling or repetative posting of what one woman said at a rally in Minnesota.
I will gladly defend my vote for McCain-Palin or my stance as a Republican as soon as you rejoin the adult world. I know it's easy and fun for you to just say 'liar, liar, liar', but thinking people need more than empty rhetoric and name calling.
BTW, I was talking to DM420 "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:36 PM:
" Dear Republican Liars:
"Republicans are responsible for financial crisis"
"In the 1990s, after the Republicans took control of Congress, Phil Gramm was able to pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which largely deregulated the banking industry and allowed banks to merge with securities firms. John McCain strongly supported and voted for the bill"
http://xeniagazette.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161044&TM=77851.52 "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:31 PM:
" DUM420, re: "I did just fine for the first 6 years under Bush. While I don't believe Bush is a conservative or a good politician, it wasn't until after the Dems took over the House and Senate that things got bad. Under their watch, gas prices skyrocketed the stock market plummeted and inflation is crazy. It's no wonder the approval rating is 13%"
It's still Bush's watch. Gas prices, stocks, and inflation are controlled by corporate rightwing conservative businessmen. It's Bush's SEC, it's Bush's Treasury. Bush appointed the heads of these depts. Isn't that obvious even to you? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:28 PM:
" Hey, Phil O'Bates
I was starting to wonder Spinner's intellect. As I'm sure your aware, these Obama supporters can't provide any substantive reasons for supporting Obama. It's truly sad when the presidential election is dumbed down to an American Idol contest. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:25 PM:
" To Bats,
I see the smog has dragged you once again into our little flame war: unwelcome back.
Racism is your thing, not mine. Proof:
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab." "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:22 PM:
" "Idiot, wages have been frozen since the advent of the Idiot Bush."
I did just fine for the first 6 years under Bush. While I don't believe Bush is a conservative or a good politician, it wasn't until after the Dems took over the House and Senate that things got bad. Under their watch, gas prices skyrocketed the stock market plummeted and inflation is crazy. It's no wonder the approval rating is 13% "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:22 PM:
" DM420,
Don't expect a reasoned response with any kind of detail from Big Spender. When Big Spender was at his best (which wasn't very much) he at least posted some links.
Now just expect to be called an idiot or a racist without substantiation.
He or she is just another one of "them", a typical hatefilled, Obama worshiper. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:18 PM:
" DUM420
")Have you considered that these corporations will simply raise the cost of their products and services to compensate for the tax increase?"
They will raise them anyway, DUH420, don't you know what a Nike tennis shoe really costs Nike? Duh! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:15 PM:
" 1)Have you considered that these corporations will simply raise the cost of their products and services to compensate for the tax increase? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:12 PM:
" DUM420,
Re: "Who signed supported and signed NAFTA into law? Why won't you answer all the questions???"
NAFTA is a Reichwing/conservathug 'thang,' don't you know anything?
Who said I was a Clinton backer? He turned Rethug/conservative when it was expedient. Now, workers pay the price. "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Big Spinner,
Who signed supported and signed NAFTA into law? Why won't you answer all the questions??? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:07 PM:
" Big Spinner,
Are you not competent enough to defend your positions? Seriously, why won't you answer the questions? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:07 PM:
" DUM420:
"2)Do you honestly believe that raising the taxes on corporations will keep jobs in the country?"
Moron, the jobs go to China anyway because moronic Republicans like you negotiate stupid trade agreements.
"3)Do you really believe this won't lead to frozen hiring, not to mention frozen wages"
Idiot, wages have been frozen since the advent of the Idiot Bush.
Trickle-down is for morons and idiots! "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:02 PM:
" To DUM420, re: "I am a Socialist because I'm voting for McCain, Corporate Welfare Advocate, Bailout Advocate, and Corporate Socialism Advocate."
I thought that's what I said. Plagiarist! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Perhaps, Big Spinner is more appropriate! Ok Big Spinner, I'll dumb it down...again. This time, answer the questions and only the questions. I think you can handle that.
1)Have you considered that these corporations will simply raise the cost of their products and services to compensate for the tax increase?
2)Do you honestly believe that raising the taxes on corporations will keep jobs in the country?
3)Do you really believe this won't lead to frozen hiring, not to mention frozen wages?
***Stay on topic this time. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:50 PM:
" To DUM420, re: "I am a Socialist because I'm voting for McCain, Corporate Welfare Advocate, Bailout Advocate, and Corporate Socialism Advocate."
I thought that's what I said. Plagiarist! "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Big Spender, I like how your first instinct is to go negative... but to respond to your statements:
1) Obama voted for the same bailout...
2) Yes, they provide Corporations (which employ roughly 40% of the jobs in the nation) tax breaks as they are the highest taxed entities in the world. Subsidies are provided to explore alternative initiatives. Anyone that can write a decent proposal, can qualify for these subsidies.
3)I'm not a socialist; therefore, I'm not voting for Obama.
Now, please respond to my questions with an answer...not another question. I'm waiting... "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:38 PM:
" Phil O'Bates: clinging to his anti-black bigotry and hate.
See how these McCain Republican rats use racism to steal another election:
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/10/11/news/07anger11.txt
The Republicans are racist scum! If you are black, Arab, Mexican or Asian, then they are the ENEMY! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:36 PM:
" Why am I not surprised that Big Spender tries to defend his baseless accuasations with more baseless accuasations.
His silence to my very simple questions speaks volumes on how empty the Obama supporters are to actual facts and details.
Typical Obama supporter. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:31 PM:
" Phil O'Bates: clinging to his anti-black bigotry and hate.
See how these McCain Republican rats use racism to steal another election:
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
Tribune: "I dont trust Obama, a woman said. I have read about him. He's an Arab."
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/10/11/news/07anger11.txt
The Republicans are racist scum! If you are black, Arab, Mexican or Asian, then they are the ENEMY! "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:24 PM:
" I see, more of Big Spender posting his unsubstantiated lies.
He's a typical Obama supporter, clinging to his socialism and hate.
Big Spender can't even answer my simple question to an assertion he made a little while ago while discussing things with Gunny, which is, "What was your (Big Spenders) service for your country (please specify which country), and how does that compare to military service?"
After answering that simple question try another one:
Where has Obama EVER brought political "change"? You can use either his time in Illinois or in Washington. "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:19 PM:
" To DUM420, re: "OBAMA (SOCIALIST) SUPPORTERS"
McCain voted for the 'SOCIALIST' bailout; Bush pushed it.
McCain and Bush don't just relieve big corporations of taxes, they give them BIG SOCIALIST subsidies, i.e., corporate SOCIALIST welfare.
Why are you such a SOCIALIST? "
DM420 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:14 PM:
" TO THE OBAMA (SOCIALIST) SUPPORTERS:
Do you do really believe that raising taxes on corporations will bring us prosperity? Have you considered that those company's will simply raise the cost of their products and services to compensate for the tax increase? Do you honestly believe that raising the taxes on corporations will keep job in the country? You say, but wait! Some of them make billions of dollars! That's true and it is passed out in dividends to stockholders that own stock directly, those that have 401k plans, mutual funds or have a company retirement plan that invests in the stock market. Do you really believe this won't lead to frozen hiring, not to mention frozen wages? "
Big Spender wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:10 PM:
" To Bats, re: "
For he (rulers like George Bush) is the minister of God to thee for good."
Bush likes to torture people. If Satan existed, Bush would be his agent. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:22 PM:
" Logically,
Your statement about the war against Saddam's Iraq shows your ignorance about how America wages war and how terrorists wage war.
America targeted military installations and support. We did it as best as it could be done with all of the modern technology available.
Terrorists intentionally target defenseless civilian targets like the World Trade Center buildings.
An Iraq free from the oppressive regime of Saddam saved more babies then any killed by the US in removing Saddam Hussein from power. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:12 PM:
" Logically,
I have read those passages and I understand their context. You apparently do not.
Here is something for you to read:
Rom 13:3-4 "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he (rulers like George Bush) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil." "
Phil OBates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:06 PM:
" Ah, Big Spender, are you blogging from the same place as BrianGSmith?
First, I'm still waiting for your answer to, "How did you serve your country (please tell us which country that is) and how does that compare to military service?"
After you answer that simple question, why not prove your assertion that the Republican party is racist.
I can prove that: 1)Obama had a racist spiritual mentor in Rev. Wright.(http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788)(http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2008/03/19/the-racist-theology-of-obama%E2%80%99s-church-breaking-the-james-cone-of-silence/)
2)Polls show that race isn't a deciding factor in this election. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/111049/Obamas-Race-May-Much-Plus-Minus.aspx) "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:45 PM:
" Phil I deduce from your statement about "punishing crime not innocent babies" that you were against the war in Iraq.
The collateral damage from war involves the killing of innocent babies and civilians. If this is the case then how could you have supported Bush and his call to go to war if it goes against your beliefs? "
Logically wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:33 PM:
" Phil a couple of passages for you to read.
Matthew 5:38-41, Matthew 7:1-5,Romans 12:17-21,1 Thessalonians 5:15, and 1 Peter 3:9.
These are just a few of Jesus' ideas on how to treat your fellow man.
Your assertion that captial punishment is punishing crime does not make sense. There is a lot of crime that is committed and punished without capital punishment. Captial punishment is the killing of a person to punish them for acts that they may have committed.
But as we are finding out in our society sometimes the person killed may not have committed the crimeat all. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:21 PM:
" Logica
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