PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:00 PM:
" slinger: the d line (besides the Favre thing) is one of the biggest reasons I dislike Thompson...I, among others, commented well before the start of training camp that we were concerned about Thommpson's philosophy on personnel. I give him credit: he can find some great overlooked players, but it's like a bad addiction with him that he doesn't know when to quit with the gambling. I see it as the reason he wants so many picks: the more lotto chances you have the better your odds of winning a little dough...but the odds are still stacked for you to lose...Ted's at best 50/50...at best. Go Pack Go...big Weekend...the top of the Division thins out one way or another...LETS STAY ON TOP...GO PACK GO!!! "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:46 PM:
" rock: Stats aren't misleading as long as they are used and interpreted properly. I am simply using them to back up my observations. Let's take yesterdays rushing performance: it did eat clock, and it looked A LOT better than it has since week 1. However, it really, in comparison to last year was a very subpar performance, especially when you look at the per rush average. Running the ball at 2.7 yards per carry can only eat clock on 2 of your 3 opportunities for a first down...one dropped pass kills the drive AND the clock....it's a recipe for disaster against a better team...and THAT's why I am not that excited about the rushing performance...makin sense? "
slinger1919 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:30 PM:
" 2020...I know the Pack is very week at d-line. Justin Harrel...don't even like talking about him so I'll move on. I agree, no depth at all on the d-line and that is killing us. I also agree with the terrible pass interference call in the Lions-Vikings game. Without that call I think the Lions would've got thier first win. I don't understand why people think we need another tight end??? If you STOP the other team from scoring...then you don't have to score us much yourself. That is how the NYG won the super bowl last year...with defense!!!! "
Rock wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:44 PM:
" You rely your comments too much on stats 2020. Stats can sometimes be misleading and overrated. The Giants game? The reason he only avg'd so little is because McCarthy didn't give him the ball enough. You are making valid points, but the bottom line is the intangible effect Grant has on the game. The defense has to be aware that he has the ability to bust one wide open. Look at his stats now, much lower than when he first started. That's because he's become a threat, and it has opened up the pass game to supposedly "bail out the running game" as you like to say. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 13, 2008 1:00 PM:
" anybody think al harris (god bless him) might have a little trouble getting his job back when he's healthy? williams can flat out play! nobody's doing anything against him and he's got a int in all three games he's played. god if we could only get bigby back and some type of help with the d-line. maybe they should try poppinga on the end a little bit, he's almost as big as thompson (jeremy) and he's got a good motor, kinda like kampman. "
Packattack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:44 PM:
" rock: I would buy that if not for this: Grant played significantly in 10 reg season games last year...and he averaged 6.7, 5.4, 3.1, 7.1, and 9.5 yard in the LAST 5 of the season...he was no longer unknown. In the playoffs, he averaged. He had 7.1 against the VAUNTED viking run D on opening day, but since then he hasn't broken 4.6. Tell me the last 5 teams last year DIDN'T target him. In the playoffs, there were no secrets, and Grant had 7.4 against the Seahawks and only 2.2 against the Giants...all in all, he was a target and STILL produced. This offense, save for that it's a step in the right direction, shouldn't be acting so excited about the run game yet...neither should coaches or fans. "
Rock wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:23 PM:
" Last year Grant was an unknown. He had success, and now teams key on him as a threat. That is the key factor in his lighter production. He is not to the same caliber as LT or Marion Barber, but he is still effective. "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:26 AM:
" rock: Here's what I expect...the Pack averaged 4.1 for the year last year...INCLUDING the first 8 weeks of the season...right now we are only averaging 3.7 per carry...and ranking 19th. Take Grant, for example, HIS average through all of '07 was 5.1...he is now at 3.4...yes, he has been hurt, but there are SO many cutbacks that HE is missing. The injury could be affecting his cutting, but I don't see him even attempting to plant that foot and make the cut...the yards he IS making are largely by squeezing through the pile. It seems ludicrous to me to hear that we are pleased with an average of under 4.0. Grant was at 2.7 for the game. I also expect Grant to average more than Rodgers. "
Rock wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:54 AM:
" 2020 - the running game was very, very effective. What were you watching? It ate clock and had some promising runs, as you said. What do you expect? A 9 yard avg?!! Yes, the avg could be about 1-2 yards higher, but when you run the ball enough, and gain enough ground, which they did, it keeps the defense honest, and you can burn them with the pass. That is how football works! When you can break a couple runs per game, even better. "
seabiscuit wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:26 AM:
" I agree that there were some horrible calls that went to the Vikings yesterday and gave them the win. I think the Lions should file a complaint about the officiating in that one-- seriously. I'm happy Green Bay won; that could have been a tough loss on the road. Next week will be a good test for the team-- a win could set the tone for the rest of the season. Go Packers! "
Mr. Bigglesworth wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:25 AM:
" Not related, but did anyone see that Matt Ryan was 6-6 on 3rd down conversions yesterday. Either that kid is the next superstar @ QB or the overrated Bears still suck, I'm going with the latter of the two. Go Pack "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:01 AM:
" Tight End would be helpful...do we even have any right now? I don't seem to see them holding the ball...Gonzalez for say...our second round pick from the '08 draft? We have seen Rodgers proving he can stay on the field...could we afford to give up a ROOKIE QB? The Chiefs seem to be shaky at that position. D linemen are going to be REALLY tough to find...it is a prized position where durability is rare...I haven't seen ANY that might be worth going after, unless we can get a team that is OBVIOUSLY out of options (DETROIT) for the season looking to aquire a future star (Brohm...shhh, don't tell them he sucks). Bottom line is wherever we get a Dlineman, the team we get them from has got to already consider themselves out of it for '08. "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:52 AM:
" slinger: here is an answer to your Friday question..."why do I blame TT, since HE isn't on the field?"...because neither are half of out players this year...he let a VERY reliable D lineman go with the idea that the few he was keeping would be healthy and able to handle the increased reps: that has been completely opposite. slinger, when making decisions, it is very helpful to look at past performance...Justin Harrel (often injured, plays little), Ryan Pickett (plays a little more than Harrel), Jenkins (often injured and productivity affected often due to injuries even though he has played through them). Thompson, when questioned, stated that we have great linebackers...THAT means we are conceding 3-4 yards before contact on every play...make sense to anyone else? "
Eddie wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:46 AM:
" For whom should the Packers trade? Tony Gonzales? As great as he is, the tight end is not a highly needed commodity right now. Offense is not the Packers' main problem right now. The Packers need DEFENSE - especially tackles. Are there any decent linemen on the trading block? I haven't head of anyone yet. I would definitely trade for one. "
Mr. Bigglesworth wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:46 AM:
" I would like to see TT try and get Tony Gonzalez, but realistically I don't think that will happen, the Chiefs are reportedly asking for a 2nd rounder as a starting point. Hey free..was mom getting a little boisterous during the Packer game down in the basement bar? At least you got a couple of free drinks from her. "
Eddie wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:40 AM:
" The Good News: Packers win! They beat a team they should have beaten. Rodgers, Driver, Jennings, Woodson, Kampman all shine. The Bad News: Ryan Pickett may be gone for the year (triceps). The Good News: Indy's RB's are hurt; only Dominique Rhodes remains. The Bad News: Peyton Manning is back in the Zone. Next Sunday's gonna be a TOUGH game..... "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:27 AM:
" TRADE DEADLINE Question: will the Pack make a move? I wonder if Flynn may become TRADE BAIT? Just courious to see if anyone else has any thoughts on this? "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:24 AM:
" rock: I only see one or two pieces of the ground game that I think were effective: it ate clock, and we had 1 or 2 promising runs. Otherwise, the average was still very ineffective. Our passing game is still bailing out our running game. Yes, we need to get our reps in with the run, but they need to become a decent enough threat to open our passing game up even more. rock, what do you see as positives in this? "
Rock wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:54 AM:
" The reason the ground game was effective is because Grant got over 30 carries. McCarthy is always quick to abandon the run, and they struggle. Look what happens when they run the ball! Go Pack! "
free_speech wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Maybe I should go into hiding like that pu$$y GH does when the slackers drop three in a row. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:15 AM:
" this rodgers kid is pretty tough. "
cataractjack wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Nice win. The team looks like it is coming around. Running game was starting to move. D was nice. Rodgers looked the part. 3-3 at this point is great with all the injuries. "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:14 AM:
" ...and why isn't ANYONE making noise about the PHANTOM Pass Interference call that sunk the Lions yesterday? The vikes were handed that game at the end!! "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:12 AM:
" even better? the pack is right back on top of the division where they belong. "
jersey66 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:49 AM:
" Totally unrelated the story, GH, but I couldn't agree more. Even better? The Cowboys and Patriots lost!! "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:36 AM:
" i couldn't think of a better way for the bears to get beat yesterday. a real heartbreaker. "