Myturn wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:22 AM:
" NOBSL- "By Mr. Bloedorn signing this, is he not saying that he and the rest of the council members are not competent to make decisions for themselves and for whats best for the community."
The Mayor has a lock-step with 9 Council members. As they pass favors, paybacks, Chairman gavels, etc. What we have is a 'majority' of a Council who are preoccupied with politics and garnering/retaining power, rather than standing back and seeing a given vote can actually stand on it's own legs. This is not Washington people, for goodness sakes! "
Myturn wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:33 AM:
" Oldglory- "Angry people"? Could you name any of those people who have raised their voices at a public Forum or other, more . Now, we have a City Planner/Inspection Department Head. I personally saw and heard him 'go off' at a Harbor Commission Meeting, and an RDA Meeting. I have available testimony that he called a Councilman one night and hollered so loud their spouse could hear it across the room. There is anger! Then add to that after another RDA Meeting when the Chairman was stopped coming out By WIZM, 'he' hollered "you do not have to talk to them" (media). There is something very wrong at City Hall and I do not think it is this group of local residents/activists. This group of City leaders have brought on this themselves with egrigious mistakes and ommissions. Purposeful or not! "
Myturn wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:24 AM:
" oldglorydays-
You just illustrated how ignorant you are on the issue. If the City goes into the 'Ambulance Business' it will affect many outlying municipalities. But I guess we did not hear a word about that possibility given two minutes to speak at Johnsruds public meeting. You will see Mayor Poellinger jump on the Anti side as well, as well as former Mayor Jack Miller. So run with that glory. Have you ever heard the term 'bedroom community'? Are we supposed to discount the affects of a City 'Ambulance Business' just as we have done with condemnation in this town. Hand picked condemnation it seems, sidestepping favored individuals? "
oldglorydays wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:02 AM:
" What an exercise in futility! Here's someone who doesn't even live in La Crosse leading a group of angry people from La Crosse in opposition to an incomplete and as yet, introduced proposal. If ever there was an example of the irresponsible use of taxpayer money, this is it! "
myturn wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:20 PM:
" Bloedorn who was the first signer was one of the few who were vocal and moved to stall the Riverside Center Two project, so that all could get up to speed. Instead Johnsrud and Czar Kirch ran a $15.9 million TIF project in two days without the benefit of seeing a set of plans or contract. Then Councilman Richmond took it upon herself later to peruse the plans at the on site construction trailer. Where it clearly was printed 'Banquet Room'. A Room that the Mayor told us all in the Tribune it was a 'Meeting Room' with a 'Warming Kitchen', next to building One with "700" LHI employees. Add to that the Municipal Harbor attempted 'Shakedown'. and the 3 plus year Pettibone Campground Train wreck still hanging. NOBSL, these people are either very stupid or liars. "
frog wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:03 PM:
" Some people just dont get it!!!!! The reason this group was formed was because some of the dopes on the council(farmer,sweeney,kader-who by the way was caught lying and other no minds will not listen to the people in their districts. Further more the soon to be ex mayor and goofy fire chief will not listen either. This is also a city that cant count how much and what they sell at the concession stand at the Lacrosee center instead just dump all the money on the table at the end of the night. "
NOBSL wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:15 PM:
" By Mr. Bloedorn signing this, is he not saying that he and the rest of the council members are not competent to make decisions for themselves and for whats best for the community (after all this is what they were elected to do). I think its time to get some people who are competent and confident enough to make decisions that they were ELECTED to do. "
common-cents wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:52 PM:
" Listen up Council ! We can't afford it. The ambulance service would cost taxpayers at least $150,000 to subsidize this yearly. I'm not paying for a service I don't use unless I use it....End of story. "
Insightful1 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:10 PM:
" And here's a link to a recent news item about a brave medical director in Naples, FL who found that First Response medic's underutilized advanced skills lead to errors, so he took action on behalf of the patient.
Quoting:"Tober says the firefighter-paramedics at the four fire districts currently providing advance life support services — North Naples, the City of Naples, East Naples, and Marco Island — do not provide the advanced medical services often enough to maintain their skills."
And "More medics does not always mean better service, Tober said. If there are too many paramedics, the experience level of each paramedic declines, he said. Tober said that continuous training is worthless without continuous experience."
Link to article:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/oct/02/firefighters-protest-collier-medical-director-outs/ "
Insightful1 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:04 PM:
" The fact that more medics than the system can clinically support dilutes skill profiency is actually the final conclusion of the Milwaukee Fire Medic study referenced recently by Chief Cleveland.
To quote the study:
“CONCLUSION
These data support the hypothesis that the achievement of critical care benchmarks is inversely proportional to the number of practicing paramedics in the Milwaukee County EMS system.
The annual mean for each technical skill has decreased for the 2001-2005 data set compared with the means established in 1987-1996, except for medication administration.” "
2Hoots wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:58 PM:
" Possum: I believe it was Mayor Mark that wanted to interject politics with emergency care. You offer opinions that are no different than the current political mudslinging. As a LaCrosse firefighter, if that's the only argument you have - leave the fight now with just a black eye. I am still waiting on more concrete information from the city & fire department, not just hurried proposals thrown together. FACTS!!! "
Mack wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:52 AM:
" I smell another agenda. Why restrict what is ultimately the people's choice? "
packer backer wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:02 AM:
" If they have a referendum, better double check all the votes, the way these putz's wants the City to get an Ambulance, we will have another "Florida" voting scandal. SIGN THE PETITION! Only takes a minute! "
get it right wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:33 AM:
" I'm with taxpayer, where do I sign? Also, if there are any neighborhoof meetings coming like the one on Oct 22 for upper northside, bring a paer and pen so all can sign. There is always a good turn out, but our voices never seem to get heard. Maybe our names in ink will get some notice down at the hall of justice where johnsrud thinks he batman. Ha, Ha. Hes more like the Joker. "
La Crosse Taxpayer wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:05 AM:
" Where do I sign the petition?
We need LESS GOVERMENT in lacrosse!we also need to get rid of king mark and all his good old boys he has in his pocket or should I say his pocketbook or better yet his pocketbook with OUR money in it!!!!
These MORONs at cityhall screw up nearly every thing they attempt to do we don't need to give them a chance to screw up our emergency services that seem to work just fine the way it is!!!!!! "
Slimey wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Possum, you sound more like a Mole for the Mayor. "
Myturn wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM:
" possum113- Is that what you are left with? This 'Ambulance Business' was brought to us after over one year in closed negotiations. Where Johnsrud did his ole 'same-o, same-o'. Attempting to flash out of the closet in the form of an 'isolated' public meeting at UWL. Where any alternative opinion or view was given '2 minutes'? Bailout, $45mil jail, $15.9 mil Riverside project, etc. Enough is enough. This is about drastically decreasing 'fire calls' and retaining jobs, and Department budgets, Nationwide. Our per student schools cost, State property tax ranking are all very high comparing, enough is enough. The UWL Meeting spoke volumes, Johnsrud was 'laughed at' several times, and looked like a deer in the headlights. It only got worse when he attempted to adjust. "
Slimey wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM:
" RE: Possum133
You obviously work for the city, so get back to work and quit playing on OUR computer!!! "
traumacare wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 AM:
" When discussing the opinion of more paramedics diluting patient care, there are published studies stating THIS! Also, one study the fire chief often mentions, a Milwaukee EMS study, states the exact same thing. I think it is easy to imagine that many paramedics will dilute the skill level! In a disaster, paramedics will most likely not be able to do very man advanced skills due to the volume of patients. Triage will need to be completed quickly, and patients moved to a central treatment area that will be staffed by Nurses, doctors and paramedics. A large number of BLS responders will be valuable for triage and such. "
Senior Advocate wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:30 AM:
" Do not think this is the end of it. Just listen to your mayor. The only way to stop this for longer term is to get rid of him and his cronies. Mark my words, He will find a way to complete his mission of a city run ambulance service. You see the difference between the regular taxpayer and an elected official is that the offical has , in his/her mind, raised themselves above everyone and truely believes they and only they know best and act accordingly. "
possom133 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:22 AM:
" First I must say that anyone who thinks that adding more trained and registered Paramedics is some how going to "dilute" the training pool or cause sub-standard care, needs to come back to reality. Secondly "Matt" at TSA should be ashamed of himself for injecting politics into emergency medical care. You have proven your worthlessness as any type of ground level respondent. My advice matt is now to seek public office. If a disaster were to occur you would want as may trained personal as possible.It is goverment responsibility to keep people safe not private business. "
traumacare wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:06 AM:
" GREAT COMMENTS. No matter what side one supports it is excellent to see the citizens of LaCrosse mobilizing for what they want to see. I hope this will finally put to rest the unwanted advances from the city of La Crosse and La Crosse Fire Dept. "
turbocharged wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:33 AM:
" "the ambulance plan is meant to generate enough revenue to upgrade a dozen firefighters to paramedics so the first person to arrive at a patient’s door can administer the highest level of care, he said."
Why do they need ambulances to upgrade firefighters to paramedics?
Either way...I am completly happy with TSA's service and I have experienced it a couple times. They are good at what they do, and respond quickly. Both times, in my case, the ambulance was there before a first responder or police officer was even on the scene. Not my idea of a lacking buisness that needs support from the LCFD. Why would I as a taxpayer want to pay for a service that I currently get for free unless I use it? I have not heard a quality argument yet from any city leader. "
common-cents wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Did anyone see fire Chief Cleveland on the news Tuesday night, and I quote. "I think the council can make the decision better than the public"
Well Mr. Cleveland the people are against it by an 8 to 1 margin, and the council is not listening to the people.
I say consolidate the fire dept's in La Crosse, they waste a lot of money just running around in circle's looking for something to do. "
medic wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:23 AM:
" It is great to see the citizens taking a pro-active approach to make their opinions heard in a matter that could make a difference! Good luck to you! I hope you succeed. "
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