notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:11 PM:
" If there is a shooting, whether LEO or private citizen, there is ALWAYS an investigation by a LEO agency and then the DA decides what if any action is required. If the DA presses charges then yes, there is a panel of citizens (called a jury) who decide if the use of force was justified. "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:04 PM:
" One could make the same "crazy to me" argument about any protester on the sidewalk. It may seem crazy to me that an individual stands on the sidewalk and protests for/against something, but it is still THEIR RIGHT, and regardless my personal opinion I encourage them to exercise that right.
Can you say the same about the right to carry (self defense), that even though you do not approve of the action, that you would still encourage it because it is a right? "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:56 PM:
" I will again draw your attention to the article:
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/06/27/news/02local.txt
To quote Ron Kind, ["based on the track record of states that do have concealed carry now. I think a lot of the arguments against it haven't proven out in those states that are allowing it, as far as increased violence in public places or leading to escalation of fights to deadly weapons. It just hasn't manifested itself in the states that do allow concealed carry."]
We already HAVE courts in place to handle situations IF they arise, but again, "arguments against it haven't proven out in those states that are allowing it," so your fear is unfounded.
Wisconsin ALLOWS open carry with few restrictions, and allows concealed carry in businesses. Once we the people stand up and start exercising our rights, the criminal element will no longer have sheep to victimize. "
quay wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:24 AM:
" I mean no disrespect but RTC sounds as crazy to me as the idea that we all carry daisys with us where ever we go and if someone confronts us with a gun, we will stick the flower in the barrel, thus diffusing the situation. Which is crazy as well.
Who gets to review a killing then by a civilian? Would there be a pannel of people?
The cops? Don't they have enough to do now? Wouldn't this lead to more killings and more lawsuits. "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:09 AM:
" First, carrying of a firearm is NOT for everyone. Those who choose to do so take on a tremendous responsibility and those that choose not to do so are also exercising their right to choose.
Second, I can think of many places to conceal a firearm in a business, and/or on a person.
Third, my point has always been that the RTKBA is just that, a right, self-defense is our responsibility, and the law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise that right should be free to do so without being met by fear and bigotry. "
quay wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 AM:
" I understand now, you see a world where everyone has a gun. We all strap them on when we go out to eat, just in case we might need to kill somebody. I'm not sure where they would "conceal" guns in a pizza parlor.. it's warm, its not like people are wearing trench coats while they make pizza. "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:23 AM:
" Now let’s just say the perp is that stupid to actually try to commit robbery knowing that there are armed citizens in the store. When the perp brandishes a firearm, a reasonable person MAY conclude they are in imminent danger and decide to take action. In the case of Mr. Vegas, a Milwaukee pizza delivery guy, he shot the perp, called the police, and the perp went to the hospital and then jail NOT free to victimize someone else. "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:53 AM:
" Here is how it works:
First, open carry does NOT give the perp another firearm. If it did, every LEO would have had their firearm taken. There are NO statistics to support this, so stop the scare tactics with how he will "have two guns," as there is no proof of such an allegation.
Second, as the perp walks in, he sees six-seven armed citizens (customers) and he DOESN'T know if the employees are armed or not being the coward he is, he quickly exits to find another sheep. When he meets the same passive resistance in every store, in every town, he moves to another state and La Crosse sees the crime rate go down. "
notme wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:51 AM:
" To those saying we NEED RTC laws, in Wisconsin we already have the RIGHT to carry openly. Further, Business owners can carry CONCEALED in their place of business and the employees of the business can carry CONCEALED, in the place of business, with the owner's permission. "
SpongeBob wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:23 PM:
" pizza - icky! who wants a delicious crabby patty? "
SpongeBob wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:23 PM:
" Patrick... Is that you?
I know, I know... Squidward did it!!! "
Dr. Christian Troy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:17 PM:
" Welcome to McNamara/Troy. Tell me what you don't like about yourself? "
Icsupporter wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:14 PM:
" then again, maybe I need to get a life... "
lcsupporter wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:56 PM:
" Let me tell you all, I am an employee at Little Caesars and I am sure that employee's carrying weapons is not the answer.Anyone who robs someone or someplace is just trully pathetic.You all need to get lives. "
quay wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:22 PM:
" Ok none of you RTC folks wants to share how this would work. So I'll try myself. Lets say only the manager gets a gun. He's hired with the understanding that he might have to shoot and kill someone. I wonder if he gets to pick his own gun? A gloc, that sounds cool. Lets say its a he. He's back there working with the dough, flirting with the cut pizza girl. She wants to see his gun that's strapped to his belt but of course he refuses because he's been "properly trained" A POS walks in with his gun, sees that the distracted manager has a gun as well and tells him to give it to him. Now the POS has two guns. Great plan "
machine wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:48 PM:
" Come on now people. Only the criminals get to carry guns, since they don't obide by the law anyways. Why should we allow the people that want to protect their rights carry guns? That would be just plain stupid. OK, sarcasim off. "
DutchBoy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:45 PM:
" First they came for the white boys, but I'm not a white boy, so I didn't object. then... "
thetrain wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:01 PM:
" I have to say Krusty is right... "
THEY CALL ME GUMBY wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:59 PM:
" I really really think the RTC would solve alot of the robberies in our town...a robber is going to think twice about robbing a bank or even a little pizza shop if he knows that every one around him may be carrying a gun. ps i agree with krusty. "
love lax wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:54 PM:
" Krusty, I agree w/ you 100%. Great comments "
ahhhhhh wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:39 PM:
" Come on winter is coming, he needs a place to eat, sleep, play cards, watch tv, socialize and recieve medical care. Doing time is so rough you know. "
truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:25 PM:
" I am sure some of these radical liberals would prefer the Tribune to say "an extremely, extremely tan man robbed a place today" rather than "black". It would be more politically correct to them, after all. And I am not white, I am just "extremely, extremely not tan". "
quay wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:54 PM:
" Really, how does this work with the guns? Does the business owner buy guns for all the kids working there? Or does just the manager have the gun? Is that a job requirement to be a pizza maker? Do you need to want to carry a gun and maybe kill someone if need be in order to be a pizza maker/manager? "
pizza lover wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:03 PM:
" I can't believe all of the racist comments. How is it racist to say the persons color? What else is the paper to do when giving a description to help bring the scum to justice? Grab a little reality you idiots. Little Caesars ROCKS! Awesome pizza and affordable. Little Caesars is good for LaCrosse and the community. They blow everybody in town away with quality and price. I would hate to ever see them leave because of some idiot. There are a lot of good business in this town, These crimes hurt everybody in the cumminity. Prices go up and businesses leave. People show your support to local business. LaCrosse is nothing without them. Help bring this scum bag robber to justice. PIZZA PIZZA "
notme wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:45 PM:
" Truth
wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:14 PM:
Self-defense is your responsibility. If you choose not to exercise it, I accept that as long as you accept that I HAVE the RTKBA for security, defense, hunting, and any other lawful purpose.
And as such, you don't PANIC and call 911, 'cause some guy walked by with a holstered firearm. I am 100% certain this POS low-life wasn't carrying holstered and in a peaceable manner. "
notme wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:39 PM:
" common-cents
wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:38 PM:
Actually, we don't need any NEW laws.
What we need is for the general public and LEO to accept the fact that we already have the RIGHT to OPEN CARRY. "
wheezie wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:24 PM:
" Who cares what color the guys skin was or what business was robbed?! The point is,innocent lives were put at risk,by,some gun toting idiot,that is still running around with the gun. "
machine wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:17 PM:
" owner of cognac club probably paid this guy to do it to take media attention away from the club. "
Truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:14 PM:
" Arming every employee is not the answer. I don't know what the answer is, but that is not it. Maybe increasing store security with video cameras, and stuff they have in higher crime areas. Can't get gas in Milwaukee without handing money through a slot in the glass. "
Truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:12 PM:
" Krusty, I agree 100% with you. Whoever calls someone racist for stating a fact is worse than racist...you are fake. "
quay wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:11 PM:
" ok, but what does it matter what race they are? Besides describing the perp? Do you want to throw them out of town?
And can someone explain to me how arming a bunch of teenage pizza makers makes this situation better? Can you describe how this would work. Do they all have a gun strapped to their belt? "
Krusty wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:03 PM:
" Mack you are a complete idiot, ricky, I don't even know what to call you anymore, "doofus" comes to mind though. As for me and happymilf being racist, please tell me how stating the facts makes a person a racist. Check the Census website, it states that the city of Lacrosse is about 96% white, then Hmongs, then black, then Latino, etc, etc. At least 96% of the violent crime should be done by whites, but it is not , and how come Hmongs haven't been in the paper for violent crime lately? Could it be that Hmongs are better behaved than black men? Have you skipped over the 6 recent stories of violent crimes done by black men, mack? Maybe it's just a fluke, mack, maybe now the white guys in town will commit around 500 violent crimes to get the numbers to work out. "
local1081 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:52 PM:
" white male in his early 20s, 5-feet-9-inches to 6-feet tall with a medium build?
Well congratulations genius you just described 50% of the population walking around campus! How could you identify this person? classic! as long as he doesn't blab to his friends or eat at little caesar's he is in the clear! Classic! "
common-cents wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:38 PM:
" Open Carry laws could solve this.
Bam ! Bam ! your dead robber. "
Vindicator wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:25 PM:
" re: Mack
Mack I feel sorry for you. You spew your liberal holier-than-thou crap but can't wrap your little brain around the facts and reality of how your politicaly correct world has ruined this nation. "
Scott wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:25 PM:
" If I were to rob a resturaunt, it wouldn't be little ceasers. They only charge 5 bucks a pizza. That's nothing, unless they throw in some crazy bread, then it might be worth it. "
daddylonglegs wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Punishment? In the US? Cable TV, catered meals, workout room, hot showers, AC...
From msnbc.com
"The executions were announced by the Saudi Interior Ministry. They bring the total number of people beheaded in the kingdom this year to 72, according to an Associated Press count."
Last year they chopped 158 heads off. "
illiminnesconi wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:50 PM:
" Why someone would chose to rob fast food is beyond me. What's horrible is they steal the money and it's done. The poor employee will be suffer from this. One of my friends was robbed and she still is scared and that happened over a year ago. I hope they catch him. I'm sorry neglected or whatever, this ruins peoples life. Rickey what does this have to do with politics? Last I checked Democrats controlled the House and Senate, so I don't understand your point. More than likely it was some scumbag that wanted to get money the quick and easy way by not finding another job. "
Mack wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:37 PM:
" happymom, I feel sorry for all racists. It must be miserable going through life with both a shrunken heart and a shrunken mind. I'll bet your teeth are bad too, if you don't take any better care of them than you do your little farm. "
Rickey wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:23 PM:
" As 59,000 people lose jobs last month, sales down, stock market down ,Like the Hoover days Bonnie and Clyde will visit a bank near You. The Second Republican Great Depression starts Next Week "
happymom wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:17 PM:
" If Krusty is racist, then so am I, because I agree with his comment. What kind of doofus would rob Little Ceasar's? How much did he expect to steal? Maybe a few hundred bucks and a jar of cheese sauce? "
PicklesPlease wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:14 PM:
" I'm kinda surprised that he left the pizzas. MM MM cheesy. "
Mack wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:13 PM:
" Krusty, all racists think they are justified in their racism. You are a racist. "
Mack wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:56 AM:
" Sounds like our corporate state at work. Don't get sick, don't get hungry, don't get cold. "
ic2020 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:48 AM:
" wow Krusty.. I agree 100% "
Rickey wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:31 AM:
" It is the depressed GOP stagnant economy causing all of this "
JD5400 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:27 AM:
" Maybe the crime rate would go down if these people would start getting the MAXIMUM penalties for their crimes. Many times these types of crimes are handed minor punishment in LaX County like probation or electronic monitoring. Maybe if they received prison time from the local judges they would decide to take their crime somewhere else. "
daddylonglegs wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:15 AM:
" Just another day in LaCrosse. I suppose this young man just looked at his 401K statement and figured he was robbed. Crime is becoming ever more common in our little town. "
notme wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Yet another example of government showing that they cannot protect the citizens, but then again, given that the have NO OBLIGATION to do so, so say the courts, and that the responsibility of self defense lies solely with the citizen, LEO simply mops up afterward.
Had the employees been properly trained and armed, we would know who the perpetrator WAS.
It is time for the citizens in the state of Wisconsin to start exercising their rights as guaranteed under Article 1, Section 25. "
truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:13 AM:
" And the overlaying point here is that crime is growing in La Crosse. There have been so many robberies in the past year...very sad for a small, midwestern community.
Note to thugs:
THIS IS NOT CHICAGO!!!!! "
truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:11 AM:
" And I agree with Krusty...if you check the Tribune archives of the violent crimes in the past few years...most of them are committed by black men. If 90% of violent crimes are committed by a race that makes up less than 10% of the population, that says something. And that is just because the black men who committed these crimes were wronged earlier in their lives by parents or where they lived and how they were raised. Has nothing to do with the fact that they are black. "
truth wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:08 AM:
" I am one of the "regulars" who comments on armed crime in the area...and I will say again that this has NOTHING to do with race, I have said that all along. It is demographics. The guy was neglected by parents, mentally unstable, or just influenced by bad people. He could be black, white, orange, green, or red. "
Krusty wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:58 AM:
" When I read the headline I automaticly thought the suspect would be a black man, but, how can that be considered racist when the last half dozen violent crimes where committed by black men in an area consisting of almost 97% white people. If I was bit by six pitbulls in a row, I would probably expect the next bite to come from a pitbull not a poodle "
balanced budget wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:58 AM:
" Little Caesar's at 11pm on a Tuesday?????? "
PicklesPlease wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Definitely interesting. La Crosse really is becoming Beloit. Wow. And how scary. "
Kayla wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:51 AM:
" free_speech - not so... "
free_speech wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:48 AM:
" If he was black they would omit his race from the story all together. "
kelz wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:38 AM:
" wow look at that, a white guy commiting armed robbery.....are they sure?? that just can't be. where are all the regulars? i guess they won't comment because he isn't black. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:38 AM:
" Silly white boy trying to be a wigger! "
Seriously Now wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:30 AM:
" Oh my gosh, no opportunity for some of the regular posters to spew their racist venom this time, is there? "
kberger82 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:30 AM:
" Well, how surprising that the La Crosse Tribune reported on a white man committing a crime. . . I thought the focus was on Black Men in the area! "
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