Margin of Error wrote on Nov 9, 2008 2:53 PM:
" Most certainly legal aid, or lack of, can make all the difference in the world for a person in need. Should not legal aid be free to all? If we socialized the legal system not only would all have access to legal aid but there would also be less ambulance chasing lawyers going thru law school, less lawyers and less lawyers going thru congress. This is a win-win scenario. Socialize the legal system!! "
possom133 wrote on Nov 8, 2008 8:42 AM:
" Simple! A heathy citizen is a happy citizen. "
Senior Advocate wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:02 PM:
" Amazing how negative we view health care. All should have it. Our elected officials always come up with money when it serves them best. now the auto companies have their hands out and I will bet the dems will give them all they want including a piece of the 750 bill which was for financial bailout of mortgages. I say let them go under, most will not and those that do will create opportunities for the start of new comapanies. At this rate the US will be bankrupt. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:30 PM:
" I don't claim to have the answers on this complex issue, but I have a few opinions.
When I was in the Navy, I had access to the Navy's socialized medicine. My experience was not the best. When I wanted better care I paid for civilain care. The same can be said about some VA care. Some places are excellent. My Father is getting excellent care out in Colorado, but there are places where the service isn't so great.
I would like to see tax breaks for companies that donated money for 'free medical care'. I would also like to see a voucher type system, if we do get a government run system. That would work just like the education voucher system. If your local government free care costs the government $XXX, then give those people $XXX to use on civilain care. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:18 PM:
" Good health is a toss of the dice. Some are born with more problems then others. So with that reality, it's hard to say that health care is a right.
I have as equal a right to vote, voice my opinion, own firearms, etc. as any other (non criminal) American. So if someone who needs frequent services (costing millions of $) does that mean that I should have an equal amount of services in dollar amounts? I don't know. Also, if it is a right, then if you do commit a crime, then can your right to health care be limited like your other rights?
A privilege is something that is earned, so how does a child born with some cronic disease earn care? "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:11 PM:
" I see this in two parts: Christians responcibilty and what is a right or privilege.
As Christians, we are supposed to help take care of the sick, but the Bible doesn't say what way is the best way to do that.
America's 'for profit' motivated health care has produced some of the worlds greatest medical break throughs. However great medical service (combined with fear of law suits, non paying patients, large insurance bureaucracy, etc.) comes at a price that excludes many.
Socialized medicine is open to all, but limits more expensive services and eventually leads to the poor service for the poor and priveleged service for the priveleged. So neither system is without problems.
So for me I see an individual responcibility to family first, then to others. Since I'm not a doctor, all I can give is financial support. "
Sr Joy wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:44 PM:
" I agree with you julbug75!! Those of us with jobs that offer good insurance are truly lucky. Poverty affects all of us in many ways-the cost to us long term will be great.
I have always found it interesting that folks fret over giving a mother and her children help and think think nothing of sending billions and trillions to bail out big business! Corporate welfare has never "trickled down" to my benefit!
I work for a major US company that is financially solid and operates with financial responsibility. We didn't need any bailing out. "
julbug75 wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:38 AM:
" User1 - BadgerCare - if you would have done the research like this Liberal - does not guarantee health care for everyone. In fact, most hard-working, middle class families are denied because they make too much money. Ha!! Once you start paying $950/month for crappy insurance you don't make "too much" money. With excess bills from co-pays and deductibles, the $950 turns into $1500 easily. This is a house payment on a $200,000 property!! I can't afford a house like that to begin with, that's why I didn't buy one! The system only works for the very poor, not the ones who will be very poor after paying their medical bills. Reform is a NECESSITY!! I would rather have my tax money providing medical care for fellow citizens than being used to invade a foriegn country to line our leaders pockets!!! "
julbug75 wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:31 AM:
" WOW- "some people will live a better life than others...." How selfish and inhumane. 46 million people in this country lack health care of any kind, of those left, most of the policies do not provide coverage adequate enough for them to seek preventative health care, AND even worse, most of the greedy insurance companies DENY the most critical of claims. IT IS A RIGHT - if not then get rid of Fire Dept's, Social Security, Meals on Wheels, Social Service Dept's, Police Forces, Military - these "socialist" entities shouldn't be funded by the public!! Sheeshh! "
MaCat wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:17 AM:
" Ignorance is bliss. The facts are that the U.S. is way behind all other industrialized nations in access to health care and in health care outcomes. Access is based on money in this country. That is just wrong! 30% of your health care dollar goes to the insurance industry. The middle man needs to be removed. "
Big Spender wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:24 PM:
" To johnnyrover, re: "Health care in the US is better than anywhere else in the world."
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Nope, we're way back in the pack...around 36th according to the World Health Organization. We've slipped in many areas: education, living standards, transportation, renewable energy, crime statistics, ...
Don't believe me? Google it! "
johnnyrover wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:12 PM:
" Health care is a privledge! Health care in the US is better than anywhere else in the world. The free market system is what helped motivate our system to its current capable standards. If you don't agree, try health care in another nation and see if you get the same quality of care.
Just because you are born into this world does not guarantee you will live the best life. You do have the right to succeed and fail, but even if you fail in the US, you will still live better than 90% of the world. "
PHIL OSIFER wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:09 PM:
" This one is a really hard call, He did nothing to contract Diabetes. Should we put him on public assistance. Well why not we give diability and insuranse to drug addicts and others that have no self control nor will to work. On the other hand one can see by nations like England and Canada and even now some of our states like Hawaii who have tried Universal care and are bankrupt. Cannot give an answer on this one just a lot of thoughts "
Mack wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:08 PM:
" user1: What was your idea? "
Double A wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:05 PM:
" Opponents of universal health care say it will eliminate 'competition', therefore reducing quality of care. But where would the problem in that 'reduction of quality' lie?: In the hands of the professionals who do the work. If they're only going to put effort in for bigger and bigger money it says alot about something being wrong with the system. I'm for making the leap. It's the only way work toward a paradigm shift. "
user1 wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:39 PM:
" We already have Badger Care and other aid programs for those who need medical care. The disease, called liberalism, must have taken over your brain....I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant of other's ideas? Guess not. "
Mack wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:23 PM:
" user1: Good thinking. We could take your idea even further by euthanizing anybody who is not healthy enough to work for a large corporation. Even better euthanizing who is not up to certain productivity standards. We could shape our entire country this way and soar right to the top. You should run for president. "
user1 wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:24 PM:
" Couldn't this kid get a full-time job at Burger King or Wal-Mart? They both offer benefits to their full-time employees. Socialized health care will be the downfall of this great nation. Look at Canada and all of the other "advanced nations" and see how long it takes to get even the most basic health care services. People need to be accountable for their own decisions sometimes. "
Mack wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:12 AM:
" Some level of healthcare is a right. Capitalism has let this country down many times in many different ways. There's no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism anyway. We have socialized schools, roads and banks. All socialized countries also have some degree of free trade. We have a need to slap on the labels to keep the people scared and justify a huge military expenditure. "
Big Spender wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:23 AM:
" No one calls police and fire protection "socialist," so why not consider national health care to be just another public service or utility? Social Security keeps the elderly from starvation...that's a system that, for the most part, is successful. Same for water services, garbage collection services, road maintenance services...
Most advanced countries provide better health care than we do at half the cost (WHO says France is tops; we're about 36th!).
"Sicko"
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/index.html "
Cass wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:52 AM:
" I don't know if health care qualifies as a right or privilege on legal grounds. I believe it is a right on both ethical and spiritual grounds. Either way, health care is a necessity. If the government (that means us, folks,) can bail out businesses, I think we can afford some insulin before kidneys fail. "