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One view: Favre wouldn't have saved Packers from ’08 struggles


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GREEN BAY, Wis. — When Green Bay sent Brett Favre packing in training camp, team officials knew they were trading away a wildly popular, remarkably tough player who might still have a good year or two left in him.

They also were waving goodbye to an unashamedly self-centered, notoriously indecisive diva with a penchant for throwing the ball to the other team. The Packers had learned to live with those things for years, and probably could have done so for one more season.
The one thing they couldn't live with was a player who admitted he couldn't get over his lingering resentment toward a front office that — wisely — ignored his advice about signing Randy Moss, hiring Steve Mariucci, and a handful of other personnel decisions.

Faced with a star player who was becoming a monumental distraction to the team he always claimed to put first — and who might have been trying to pout himself a path to play for division rival Minnesota — trading Favre to the New York Jets was the right call.

Even now, with the Packers teetering on the edge of playoff contention, it's still the right call.

If you think the Packers' 4-5 record would be significantly better with Favre at quarterback instead of Aaron Rodgers, it might be worth making a list of the Packers' biggest problems — then figuring out just how far down that list you have to go to find Rodgers.

Yes, the Packers have fallen out of first place in the NFC North after two straight losses, and face a tough fight to make the playoffs. But given all their other problems, it seems the Packers were bound to take a step backward with or without Favre.

They've been hit hard by injuries, something they largely avoided on their way to the NFC Championship game last year. Defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins was lost early on, and now they'll be without middle linebacker Nick Barnett for the rest of the season. Several other key contributors have missed significant playing time because of injuries.

Beyond that, the Packers are playing a more difficult schedule. And they're having a tough time running the ball on offense and stopping the run on defense, two fundamental flaws Favre wouldn't have been able to fix.

Rodgers, meanwhile, was a revelation in the first month of the season, showing off a rocket arm, quick feet and sharp decision-making. Then, he sprained his shoulder, an injury that cost him significant practice time but allowed him to prove his toughness by continuing to play.

Now Rodgers is mired in a two-game mini-slump — but both losses came on the road against teams with dominant defensive lines, Tennessee and Minnesota.

The Packers' offensive line couldn't block a pop-up ad at the Metrodome on Sunday, let alone Jared Allen, and Rodgers paid the price with four sacks and two safeties. Sure, Favre might have been able to get rid of the ball more quickly than Rodgers under the circumstances — but which team would have caught it?

Clearly, Rodgers has proven something to the Packers, who gave him a contract extension through 2014 — a significant sign that the franchise has moved on.

Believe it or not, Favre's name doesn't even come up much in Green Bay these days. About the only time the F-word has been uttered recently was after reports said Favre had given Detroit Lions coaches inside information about the Packers' offense earlier this season.

Favre initially denied the report, then appeared to backtrack slightly, saying he and then-Lions general manager Matt Millen talked about the Packers, but Favre didn't give him any game planning information.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy just wants the whole thing to go away.

``My focus is simple,'' McCarthy said recently. ``I don't want it in my locker room. I don't want our players to feel like they have to answer questions that first of all, they're not educated on, because they don't know exactly what so-and-so said, and this and that. We just want to stay above it and just don't want to deal with it. ... It's something that's in the past. We have moved forward.''

So have Favre and the Jets. They're 6-3 and tied for the AFC East division lead with the New England Patriots, who they'll face Thursday night.

But the Jets' recent three-game winning streak might be a mirage, given it came against the likes of dreadful Kansas City, fading Buffalo and hopelessly lost St. Louis. Before their streak started, didn't Favre and the Jets lose to Oakland?

While Favre is wearing a new uniform this year, one thing doesn't look dramatically different: He has thrown a league-worst 12 interceptions.

So maybe the Jets will make the playoffs, and maybe they won't. But either way, what happens after that?

There's every chance Favre will once again take months to make a decision on retirement. Or maybe he'll make a quick — by his standards, anyway — decision on his future, only to flip-flop months later.

If he ends up retiring, the Jets must start over. The Packers were going to be in that situation at some point anyway, so getting a head start on the Rodgers era will help them in the long term.

Either way, the Jets' offseason plans will likely be stuck in limbo for a while, and the distraction-free Packers will get to work on next season with no distractions. Privately, they might even enjoy a few giggles at the Jets' expense.

Oh, and they'll get an extra draft pick out of it, too.
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packerbacker wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:31 PM:

" I can see Brett winning the Super Bowl and getting NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP... then what does this dumb sportswriter do? Can he eat all of his stupidity? No matter what, the Jets have a minimum of $150,000,000 GAIN in revenue for 1 draft pick~ the fact that Brett is winning BIG GAMES is just a secondary plus! "

packerbacker wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Brett's Jets 7-3 and BIG ROAD WIN on National TV even though other QB got 51 attempts 400+ yards, Brett had 2 game winning drives~ Moss made Brett do it again in OT. Brett's numbers are spectatular with 6 TD's in 1 game! Anyone who is watching the Jets knows Brett is the heart of that team and certainly leading candidate for MVP. especially if he can beat Tenn next week! Brett will be in all those flex schedule national TV games! This bozo writer shoulkd cover tiddlywinks or chess because he doesn't know poop about football! "

Eight-Ball wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:06 AM:

" Been a Packer fan all my life, I'm not mad at the team for what happened to Brett Favre, just the management. It's hard to see the Packers losing so much when they nearly went to Super Bowl last year. Brett is still so much fun to watch, I never miss a chance to watch him play. Glad we have the NFL online to watch the videos. Not sure where his career is heading, Jets were four and twelve last season and are now six and three with Brett. Hope they just have a great season, Go Jets! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:43 PM:

" mind of reason: again...your moniker really needs to be replaced...it's very misleading...here you go: on the jeans thing: most alread KNOW that those aren't MY posts...here's a hint an "O" (oh) and a "0"(zero) are very similar...get it..someone pulled a funny MOR, and YOU suckered on it...nice spell checking though...and isn't THAT slam from another article? THAT's funny...I think the WOMAN here is you, m.o.r.: who else would worry about an insult for that long? Sorry ladies...he's just a little sesitive abut his SMALL mind....ha ha ha "

wiseup wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:27 PM:

" To vikesfan, you are used to losing on the field and Herschel Walker trade, Hail Mary pass, NFC championship v Falcons, running Culpepper and Moss out of town on a rail and 4 Super Bowl upset losses. Packer fans are used to 12 WORLD TITLES, dozens of hall of famers, best facility in the league and no greedy owner, so when something as important as the legacy of the franchise's greatest player has been besmirched and TT must be held accountable for his major mess-up! Merry Christmas NY JETS! "

wiseup wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Brett is gone and won't be back. That translates to major league LOSS OF REVENUE for the Pack. Why do you think they tried to bribe Brett with a $20 million marketing deal? Maybe this dummy AP idiot might want to see that Brett has been sacked 16 times and Rodgers 21 times, Brett's 68.8 completion rating v Rodgers 63.2. Their passer rating very close, the difference is 4-12 Jets are 6-3 and TT's 13-3 team is 4-5! You aren't a PACKER FAN if you BEND OVER FOR TT's BLUNDER! "

jersey66 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Yeah, Favre throws a lot of ints, but that's the risk you take when you play like he does. Many of his bone-head throws turned into miraculous plays and game winning scores that we will be watching on highlights for decades. And as far as the Packers "giggling" in the off-season? I don't think that have anything to giggle at judging by how their season is turning out! "

mind of reason wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:15 PM:

" Pack2020, you slammed me because you say I can't spell? Are you kidding me? Sorry I don't take time to spell check after every post. You are obviously a woman, based on your post about Brett in his jeans. I spell just fine girly. Maybe you need to post comments about the article and not nit pick spelling oversights. Some of your comments are really off the wall. "

mind of reason wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:01 PM:

" To Vikes fan and fishing pro, Don't you have anything better to do than sniff out every single Packers article and make your stupid pointless comments? Nobody cares what you think! Maybe if you supported a real team, they might have an article written about them? You guys are a joke! It is amazing how many people post comments about Favre articles. When Obama got elected there was just as much buzz about that article. Brett for President? "

thingamajig wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:20 PM:

" LMAO @ all the non Packer fans comments!!!! You all need to get out of the house and get some fresh air!! Jealousy will get you no where! Why argue and get your blood boiling, only to have a stroke!? Cool down! If you don't like what the Packers and Brett Farve are doing, then why read articles like this one? The Packers are always going to be a team, so get your undies out of a wad and deal with it!! Geeze!! (still laughing over jealousy of the Packers and Brett!) "

vikesfan wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:24 PM:

" True packer fan BS - why do you always spend so much time and effort on what could have been - cheese-n-rice - get over it Brett is gone - I hope he has a great finish to the current season - I really wanted him to play for the vikes this year but I am not spending all my time wondering what could have been - GET A LIFE!!! "

PackAttack2O20 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:06 PM:

" Favre with that stubble and those tight wrangler jeans............DAMN! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:40 PM:

" taxpayer: TAKE A PILL...wow...hey, if you're SUCH a big Packer fan, there is another article that DOESNT involve Favre that's on the Trib today...funny, but the BIG FAN that you are, you can't tear yourself away from the Favre article though...bet you like car accidents....NO DONT LOOK...DOH....I looked...NO DONT LOOK....DOH....I looked...talk about waffling... "

laxtaxpayer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:12 PM:

" There is no way that the Packers would be better with Favre... Until the defense stops giving up over 100 yards rushing per game, even GOD FAVRE won't help. "

laxtaxpayer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:09 PM:

" ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Favre and his traveling waffle show has gone to the JETS. Deal with it. I cannot believe that every single Packers fan is a Favre worshipper. I am a Packer fan first. I cheer for wins amd touchdowns and I don't care who is throwing them. Your boy Favre has twelve ints this year, roughly one per game. He is a whiner who was out for number 4...end of story. Sto living in the past... "

conscience? wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:01 PM:

" I'm so sick of the Favre bashing. Last year he was GOD and this year he's the ANTICHRIST. "

wilinkin25 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Speaking of the Lions, do you think they'll draft a WR with their #1 pick this year? "

Mr. Bigglesworth wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:47 PM:

" My god KM...step away from the ledge. Don't forget, the Pack is the youngest team in the league. With teams like Cincy and Detroit, we will never be drafting 1st overall. I wouldn't slit the proverbial wrist just yet, a loss to the struggling Bare's though and I'd let er fly. "

Km wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Great management team the Packers have. Next year they should be able to get the fifth or sixth player in the draft. In a couple of years they will be drafting first. Favre will always be the greatest player to ever play for the Greenbay Packers. MM and TT have what they wanted, a losing team with very little promise. "

PackAttack2O20 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:37 PM:

" The article also left out how great Brett looks with his whiskers. That unshaven look rocks! Brett is SO cool! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM:

" ...oh yeah...one piece this chuckle head forgot to add on the end of his article....we will also be picking ahead of the J E T S...hmmm....wonder how many draft picks THAT will be worth if we trade it away...TT, what is your estimated 7th round value of a 1st round pick? The college ranks are filled with INJURED 4th and 5th rounders that would have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS if you would commit that precious first pick to them!!! Come on TT...make some undeserving seniors day...call em up now... "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:27 PM:

" fisherman: you're letting your fragile piece of first place get to you dude...take the high road...let the free-speechers of the world take the bologna laiden low-road....again, we expect more from YOU....YOUR team is NOT one of the NFLs elite this year either...maybe the haze from the weekend hasn't left you yet... "

fishingpro wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Time for a Vikings fan to step in.

This just in: Packers are a terrible team this year. Your management made a big mistake in letting Brett go. Your rookie QB will not last long getting smashed 8-10 times per game.

Go Vikings!!!! "

PackAttack2O20 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:02 PM:

" I want Brett, I love Brett, I NEED BRETT!!! "

reality wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Hmmm....last year the Packers almost made it to the Super Bowl with Brett Favre. This year, the same team without Brett Favre is struggling to get by. The badnews Jets, with Favre, are in position to be a serious playoff team to contend with. Sure Favre throws interceptions, but like he said, "it's about winning football games and not statistics." Favre is a natural leader, teacher, and competitor...FIRE TED THOMPSON!!! "

thingamajig wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:52 PM:

" I'm a packer fan and ALWAYS will be! It took Brett awhile to get where he is. (A Great QB!!) It will take Aaron Rodgers a little time too. Rodgers admitted it was his fault that they lost the game to the vikings! The Packers won one game against the vikings anyway. Aaron knows what he has to do. Just give him time. Yeah, TT was wrong in letting Brett go, but, us packer fans have to give it time!! Rodgers isn't going to be a Brett Farve overnight and we all know that. (Laughs @ all the non packer fans and their jealousy comments!!!!! Hee hee!) "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:37 PM:

" and we wonder what's wrong with our country: CONGRESS TO RECOGNIZE GREEN BAY PACKERS, BRETT FAVRE
This resolution, H. Res. 697, commemorates the Green Bay Packers and theirQUARTERBACK

HERE'S THE LINK: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1361488421.html

THE IMPENDING ECONOMIC COLLAPSE MUST HAVE BAFFLED THESE BRAINIACS...

EVEN AS THE FAVRE AND PACKER FAN THAT I AM THIS IS LUDICROUS... "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:19 PM:

" biggels and wilkins: have to agree with you both...there is MUCH that TT has done to neuter this team...it started with letting Corey Williams go...Favre was JUST a piece of the degradation that has become TTs team...MY point is not that Favre alone would have saved our team...but in comparison to what was KEPT and NAMED the starter, he probably would have given us a better chance to win....we could take hours on all that has happened in a few short months to really nail down the attrocity committed by TT for this team... "

LaxMan wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:16 PM:

" I totally agree with the article, the Packers record would not be any better with Favre, and a matter of fact, with his penchant for turnovers, it could be worse. Aaron Rodgers has played excellent when his offensive line has given him a chance, and even elevated Greg Jennings into an all-pro receiver. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum in the media, and my take on it is the fans that worship Favre will never be convinced that letting him go was a good decision, and the fans that supported this decision will never change their minds either. It's like the Democrats vs. the Republicans. So why try? "

wilinkin25 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:10 PM:

" packerbacker

The reason the jets are 6-3 isn't just because Brett Favre is there. They made a major upgrade to their O Line in Alan Faneca. Not to mention picked up people on their D as well. That team was retooled to fill the trouble spots of their 4-12 team. The Packers are doing worse this year because of an aging o line, a d line that can't get pressure on the qb, undersized lb that get pushed around on running plays, poor execution, and being the most penalized team in the NFL. Yes, Favre is a better leader than Rodgers, but to blame the poor start on him is bad judgement. "

Mr. Bigglesworth wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:10 PM:

" packerbacker..Bert didn't turn around the Jets all by himself, they signed Kris Jenkins, who is having a pro-bowl year, Alan Faneca, the best free agent this off-season (who TT should of blew his load on), LB Calvin Pace, Bubba Franks, and recently Ty Law. I think that, coupled with Bert, is why the Jets have the record they do. "

ljn1217 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Edit: Favre in his ultimate superiority has *done* wonders for that NY defense! Yet Rodgers can't seem to do anything to stop the rush for the Packers D! " "

ljn1217 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:02 PM:

" Some comparisons...

NY: 10th in overall D
GB: 21st in overall D

NY: 76.4 yd/game allowed by D
GB: 154 yd/game allowed by D

Favre in his ultimate superiority has wonders for that NY defense! Yet Rodgers can't seem to do anything to stop the rush for the Packers D! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:47 PM:

" by the way JR..dont feel bad...just see dullards posts to make you feel smarter "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:46 PM:

" JR: wonder what the running game would look like HERE for the Packers if the Defense was actually WORRIED about our passing game? Funny, but the running game DOESNT always open up the passing game, JR...it often works the other way anymore, and especially with a threat like Favre ready to audible to a quick strike pass play if you start to pack the box...small minds see numbers and can read JR, brilliant minds ask "why" and explore the reasons behind the numbers....JR, not saying I am brilliant, but just quoting a fact without exploring futher says something about you possibly "

dullard wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Favre: 1979 YDS, 16TDS, 12 INTS; Rodgers: 2124 YDS, 13 TDs, 5 INTS.
If Rodgers threw an interception per touchdown like Favre does, we'd be 0-9. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:40 PM:

" heres one for you RODGERS LOVERS to chew on...WHERE ARE our TightEnds this year? HOw are FAVRES TightENDS doing this year...go look it up...wonder when it's a GREAT idea to throw to THOSE guys...HINT: under pressure and in the red-zone...weaknesses of RODGERS'...hmmm...lets see...Rodgers: 30 receptions for 250 yards and 2 tds...Favre: 37 receptions for 420 yds and 3 tds.....the big seperation: first downs...Favre's TEs have25 and Rodgers' have 11....wonder if the Coaching staff of the Pack has recognized this yet...how about it HATERS... "

JR wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:39 PM:

" Here are the stats, you can decide:

Favre: 68% comp, 1979yds, 16td (including a 6td game, only 10 in other 9 games)/12 int (including a handful of pick-6's), 89.8 rating

Rodgers: 63% comp, 2124 yds, 13td/5int, 125 rush yds & 3td, 93.3 rating

The thing Favre does have that Rodgers hasnt so far is a consistant running game. Thomas Jones is having one of his best seasons ever and Grant is just now starting to come around. "

down2512 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Jenkins, yur dum! the injuries may well have been avoided with Favre in charge! the packers' schedule is no more difficult than last year. the significant changes on the roster have definitely carried over to the play on the field! many people, me included are still influenced in the way they see the packers' team and organization after all the drama and say what you will the front office and coaching had a lot more to do with draggin' it out than Favre did. i'd say 6 and 2 or 7 and 1 with Favre still there. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:16 PM:

" slinger: GREAT point, except you have posted here 3 seperate times today...too busy? BAD argument when you have been here that many times slinger...YOU ARE much too important for the rest of us...HERO IN YOUR OWN MIND slinger...I just checked the "other" Packer bit that was posted today...TALLY: 1 Packer fan post and 1 BEARS fan post...shameful...but surely slinger THE REST of the faithful FAVRE HATERS have much too much to do...this article had more posts in its first few hours than most get in a week... "

packerbacker wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:12 PM:

" ANY AND EVERY intelligent Packer fan can do the math 14-4 last year and 4-5 this year! Jets 4-12 now 6-3 and leading division. ONE PERSON ~ BRETT FAVRE has made the difference! Sure football is a team sport BUT BRETT makes his teammates play better, more confident and relaxed~ Packers or Jets! Brett also INTIMIDATES the opposing players and staff because of his experience, not just 17 years of winning, but Brett's ability to read defenses, call the right audibles, make the play, come from behind and WIN THE GAME! Brett's got ALL the NFL records to prove it! Other team's fans know the truth, YOU SHOULD TOO~ TRADING BRETT WAS THE BIGGEST SPORTS BLUNDER IN HISTORY! "

formerlaxtaxpayer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Brett is gone, all of you fair weather fans move on and get over it! None of you remember what we went through when Brett started out with the packers. we went through his ups and downs. it's Rodgers time. "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Frustrating! Doesn't anyone get it!!? The point is, last year and the years prior everytime "we" lost it was "Favre's" fault. The NFC Championship game - all his fault. Nevermind the horrific pass coverage or defense in general. But this year....all of a sudden it's not all "Rodger's" fault - it's the rest of the teams? Where were you last year when these articles (and you!) were blaming Favre and not the rest of the team? It wouldnt be so annoying if this wasn't SO one sided with the media. "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:55 AM:

" ok, you got me...I'm not a true Packer fan unless I'm on the La Crosse Tribune Packer postings everyday! I will have to NOT have a life so I have the time to get on here all the time like today. Nothing to do with Favre at all with me...I get on here when I can. Not a Favre hater neither I just can't get over how so many people think one person is a team!!!!! Look what is happening to the Packers...again with Favre or not much of the same would be happening. I don't remember Favre running any stunts with Pickett or Kampman to get a sack. He played ONE position... "

packer backer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Right on truth be told! Typical Tribune Trash, they fall for all of the propaganda, TT and Minnie-me Mikey spew. Why do you think TT and Minnie-me hired a spin doctor, to save their jobs. They both are giganto putz's! "

truth be told wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:08 AM:

" this is a typical TRIBUNE ARTICLE that actually is all conjecture. It says nothing and has no real quotes..

meaning no one was asked anything about how the team would be different if Favre was on this team..

all this is, is propaganda to save Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy's jobs..

they find a SAFE reporter and give them the "scoop".. big deal..

the USSR newspapers are more objective.. "

Jake25 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:59 AM:

" OK, I remember reading how all of you Packer fans were fine with Favre leaving and now it's they should have never gotten rid of him. I thought Packer fans were different untill I saw those postings. Have you noticed how Grant is doing this year? Terrible, because teams are stacking the box. I promise you that the Packers would have a lot more wins this year if Favre was there. "

packer backer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:53 AM:

" I am with 2020 on this one. The Trib posts Packer articles on here almost everyday, and just a handful of us ever write anything on there. Put a Farve piece on here, and the haters come out of the wood work. What are you, closet Farve lovers, and cannot admit it? Your not true blue Packer fans, that is for sure. If you hate him so much route for New England this weekend, end of story!

Farve would have tried making a play on Sunday. Maybe throwing a interception, then again maybe not. Has one of the highest percentages of 4th quarter comebacks, ever!! But either way, hate him or not, it would have been fun to watch. Why do you think the Viking fans were so glad to see him go? I am sure Childress is happy! "

free_speech wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Packer fans expected to make the playoffs after a great season last year. Now, minus favre, it looks mighty grim. You do the match. "

ljn1217 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Brett Favre will not win the league MVP this season. Don't get me wrong, I think he is great and the things he did for the Packers were amazing, but there are far too many people who believe he can do no wrong.

And about TT releasing KGB...I'm pretty sure the news of his release was the first time I had heard his named called all season, so I don't think anyone should say that was a mistake. "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:40 AM:

" 2020, when you watch a game I just want to know what you are watching/lloking for??

Do you not see the o-lineman missing blocks, the linebackers not shedding blockers and filling the gaps, the terrible push most of our d-lineman get, all the penalties, etc. The Packer draft choices the last few years have been terrible at best. Sure some of them have made it but for the most part this is what is hurting the team a lot also. "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Sorry, not a Favre hater just looking at the whole picture and everything I commented on (the play of the other 51 players on the team, yes...when Favre was on the team he was not the only one that played.) Oh you're right 2020, penalties, missed field goals, worst rushing defensive, none of that matters...silly me! I forgot Farve played d-tackle sometimes. "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Can you imagine how great our defensive backfield would look if we could get more pressure on the opposing qb like most other teams do???? They have to cover people all day back there and are still doing a great job! You can't cover a guy forever but they are doing a super job regardless... "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:29 AM:

" slinger...and here you are commenting on something that will have NO influence on our season or any season to come....why aren't YOU on any of todays other articles on the Pack? My point is that you Favre HATERS really aren't necessarily the fans that you claim to be.....IN ANSWER to your questions: no, Favre would not himself have made any of those things better, but HIS attitude and HIS approach to the game IS CONTAGIOUS and you cant possibly measure how THAT can affect an entire team's motivation...the other piece of that is the approach TT took with Favre IS what is wrong with this team now..."get out I want MY OWN GLORY" and "I don't need YOU"...players still want to make a difference...and know that their contributions matter...TT doesn't get that, but the younger players have seen what TED thinks about THEM. "

packerbacker wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Whoa, who is to blame for new punter? Who is to blame for no KGB? Who is to blame for defense on the field too long? Who is to blame for Harrell #1 pick BUST? Who is to blame for all the NEW LONGTERM contracts for questionable players, coaches and staff? TED THOMPSON has single handedly destroyed the franchise and THAT IS THE STORY! "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:27 AM:

" I agree...Rodgers does not intimidate no one but the Packers problems are not at the qb but in many other places and much deeper!!! "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:25 AM:

" If you're a Favre fan that is super...watch the Jets! If you are a Packer fan watch the Pack and quit your whining...change is in or lives every day and nothing is forever! And then make some comments on nuclear medicine or something else you don't know anything about but think you do!!!! "

packerbacker wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Last year with Brett leading the Pack, The Vikes were shutout in a blowout @ Lambeau and Brett beat the vikes in their Dumpy-dome while breaking the NFL's ALL TIME Touchdown record! This season, the Pack barely beat Vikes in GB and embarassed themselves with a loss in Minn. Rodgers broke 1 of Favre's records= 2 safeties in 1 game! Rodgers is ok but NO ONE has Brett's PRESENCE in the huddle or locker room and the opponents ALL RESPECT BRETT! Rodgers INTIMIDATES NO ONE and so far has not beat a quality opponent. I should know, I attended most of last years games and almost ALL of this season's games! This biased AP sportswriter has attended ZERO games and should shut up! "

slinger1919 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Do you people really know football or anything as far as that goes???

If Favre was here...would our terrible punter kick better, would our kicker make a game-winning fielf goal, would we not have the most penalties in the NFL, would our below average d and o line play better, would our average linebackers play better, would our average at best running back be an Adriane Peterson??? I suppose Favre gets credit still to this day for our above average pass coverage!!! Sure if he was there some things would change a little. Farve is not a one man team and I'm sure if he was playing against the Vikings on Sunday he would've had at least 3 pics! Sure Rogers could get rid of the ball sooner some times but what do you want...sacks or interceptions? Many experts out there that don't know the game in depth! "

packerbacker wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:15 AM:

" This so called expert does NOT know a football from a soccer ball. The facts= Brett NEVER wanted to play for ANY other team PERIOD! Brett has taken a terrible trashing in the media on rumors and lies spread by a few media types that NEVER liked him anyway and they SELL newspapers by their attacks on our heros and celebrities! The reason the Pack went 13-3 last year is because of BRETT! The reason today's Pack is 4-5 is because Brett is gone and the defensive is on the field too long! The reason the 4-12 are 6-3 and on top of their division is because of BRETT! If Brett can pull out the next 2 games against the best teams in football, BRETT WILL WIN HIS 4th NFL MVP and the sports writer above WILL EAT HIS WORDS~ TED THOMPSON APOLOGIST! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:13 AM:

" If you so called "packer fans" would comment on more than JUST Favre articles, then your claim that those of us that are fans of Favre ARENT Packer fans would MAYBE carry more weight...but here you all are...here JUST to rip on Favre...what kind of fans ARE you? Really...learn from some TRUE FANS...GO PACK GO!! GO BRETT GO!! "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:09 AM:

" RE: het1996

You are like talking to a wall. You can say what you want about Favre, and I can say what I want about Thompson and they are opinions and only that. What I CAN'T stand is the constant coddling that Rodger's gets because he is a "first year" starter. No, he is not a rookie. This kid has been around on the same team for four years now. You hold him to the same level of accountability that you help Favre too. When we lost a game last year (especially the Giants - NFC Championship game) it was Favre's fault. When we lose against the Vikes - it's everyone else's fault? A little consistency would be nice. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:47 AM:

" this is hilarious: NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU HATERS YAP ABOUT FAVRE, YOU ARE HERE TALKIN ABOUT IT. GO CHECK THE PACKER ARTICLES LATELY...MANY OF YOU CLAIM TO BE PACKER FANS YET HATE FAVRE...BUT PUT HIS NAME ON AN ARTICLE AND LOOK AT THE TURNOUT...H I L A R I O U S....funny bunch you Favre haters...I don't know if he would have saved us, but he certainly would give us something other than 2 safeties...GO PACK GO...BEAT THE BEARS!! "

Merlewolf wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:30 AM:

" I only know one thing. It was more fun for me watching the Packers when Favre was there. "

ljn1217 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:26 AM:

" To Sillyme

What game were you watching on Sunday? I don't recall Rodgers throwing an interception that led to the Vikings last touchdown...and neither does the box score?

I agree that Rodgers hasn't played great the past couple of weeks, but he surely hasn't been the reason the Packers are losing. When our run defense gets run over like they are standing still and our O-line can't block anyone, I find it difficult to blame Rodgers for the loses. "

Rock wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:22 AM:

" And all the Rodg haters return! Rodgers is not a great leader yet, true, but neither was Favre when he took over for Majik. Give him a frickin chance!! And he is not to blame for the loss last week. He played pretty well given the giant wall of purple on his ass all game! As for all the former Packers who "unretired" - all of those were over 30 years ago. Times change! And lest you forget, the years before last, uh, the Pack were 8-8, and 4-12. Its not all Brett Favre. It is impossible to compare teams year to year. Even if the team was identical, other teams make changes. I also think Teddy is useless, but come on people, quit bitching and have some faith! Go Pack! "

wilinkin25 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Thank you Eddie. The Packers misfortune is not Rodgers' fault. He's done a pretty good job so far this season, he had zero time back there on Sunday. The Vikings were in the backfield before he even got the snap (at least it seemed that way). For a coach that prides himself on his team executing, he's doing a pretty poor job. "

Eddie wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" The constant banter by fans about Ted Thompson and his "ego" is absolutely ridiculous. There is no foundation whatsoever in these childish accusations. Cartain idiot fans are making the same mistake that Brett Favre made - getting pissed because Thompson didn't do what they wanted. Boo Hoo Hoo, people, Mr. Thompson isn't running the team the way YOU want him to do. BOO HOO HOO.....ya big babies..... "

Eddie wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Armchair general managers and coaches are hilarious. They all think they know better than the actual men doing the jobs. We can argue the "what-ifs" all day long, but the fact remains that when players block, tackle, and execute plays poorly, they will lose game after game. It won't matter who the quarterback is. Why did Dan Marino, the best pure passer in NFL history, not win any Super Bowls? His teammates didn't execute - that's why. "

packfan48 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Brett gave the Packers a super bowl win and another super bowl appearance. The retirement issue is mute if look at Packer history.Hudson unretired 3 times including 1945,48 hours before the season opener.Forrest Gregg retired 4 times,then was rehired years later as head coach.Curly Lambeau retired in 1950 after a dispute with the board,then unretired to coach the Chicago Cardinals.Paul Hornung retired in 1967,then unretired to play for the saints in the 1967 supplemental draft. Reggie White unretired. Even Vince Lombardi unretired to coach the Redskins. Lets look at what Wisconsin really lost which is the record amount of money both Brett and Deanna raised for underprivileged kids and breast cancer...yes Brett set records for that too!Aaron will never raise that kind of money. "

philly wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:05 AM:

" het1996, how can you possibly say that TT does not have an ego? I don't blame him 100% for the Favre departure but he looked like the village idiot. Overall, I think TT has done a "good" job. He dropped the ball on not obtaining Moss. He made the right decision with McCarthy (let's not judge this guy's whole career on last week's game). He drafts very well (especially after round 1). For now, he needs get Jennings signed long-term and get that guaranteed money under this year's cap. "

shoeymis wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 AM:

" I'll grant that Favre has thrown lots of picks this year and may not have the Packers in any better situation, but I fail to see how anyone could say having Randy Moss last year who set the NFL record for TD's would not have helped the team out. And after the red flag after Peterson's TD last week I don't know that Mr. McCarthy is exactly the greatest coach in the world. Oh and I would bet that any QB that switches teams throws a couple of picks because they aren't "on the same page" with the receivers right away so the 12 may be a little inflated, but probably not too much. "

Mr. Bigglesworth wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Favre4...what free agents did you think that TT should of signed this year? Corey Williams is the only legit arguement, and that's if you think he was worth top 5 money. Philly...hindsight is always 20-20, don't you think if every team knew that Moss was about to go off, there would of been more than a handful of teams looking at trading for him? I only remember about 3-4 teams were interested in him and the Pack was one of them. "

sillyme wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:55 AM:

" The Packers would be better w/Farve as the QB!!
Who threw the interception to give the Vikings their last 7 points? Ted Thompson wants only HIS team on the field no matter how Bad they play. Look for a new job soon TT. The Packers and their fans can not stand another season with you!! "

het1996 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:54 AM:

" TO KGB

This team is a good football team. They havve not had the breaks fall their way like they did last year. Favre would not make this team better. With the amount of pressure Minnesota put on Rodgers I believe Minnesota would have had a pick fest with Favre back there. Rotten offensive line play, rotten run defense, poor punting, injuries, would Favre help any of that? NO. Ted Thompson does not have a ego and he didnt run Brett out of town. Brett ran himself out of town by being a baby. Had he said he wanted to committ to another year instead of waiting for management to beg him to come back he may be in Green Bay still...and he would be on a 4-5 team because QB isnt Green Bays problems right now. "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:38 AM:

" RE: het1996
That's great judgement to pass considering you don't even know me. I love the game of football, and quite frankly this is the same team as last year. Same coaching staff, etc. Sometimes, you need a strong leader on the team and I don't think Rodgers is cutting it. You and I can agree to disagree because the Packers will be lucky to even make it to the playoffs - pretty sad after a 13-3 year. "

daddylonglegs wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:33 AM:

" Favre is with the Jets... Everything else is just speculation. "

JR wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:23 AM:

" Seriously? This is what they put as a headline in the Tribune online?

Get over it people, he is not coming back and everyone including Packer fans needs to stop playing the 'what if' and saying 'well favre would or wouldnt have' stuff. I am a Packer fan myself but getting really tired of hearing this all season long. Rodgers will be just fine and so will the Pack. "

cataractjack wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:23 AM:

" This could not have been written any better. Favre is not the problem with this team and if we had Favre we would be 4-5 at best and maybe worse. Put it this way. How many Super bowl rings does Favre have? 1. How many Rings does Rodgers have. 0. How many years has Favre started. 16 1\2 years. How many years has Rogers started. 8 games. Favre still has good games in him. No doubt. He still has awful games in him, for sure. He had a fork in him in the Giants game last year. Any doubter - just watch that game again. "

jsh wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:21 AM:

" Here is why Brett Favre would make the Pack better: Leadership. Rodgers is not a leader of this team. He is indecisive and inexperienced. To me this is not putting the best team on the field like the front office said they were going to do. It is not all Rodgers fault either. McCarthy is showing that he is not that good of a coach. He has made quite a few questionable calls (throwing the challenge flag this past Sunday) and talk about conservative play calling. I would say the conservative play calling has something to do with not have the confidence in his QB. McCarthy is not the answer. I believe that Bill Cowher may be coming out of retirement after this season?!?!? Oh, and there has got to be a better GM out there too. "

LAX wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:18 AM:

" And Chris Jenkins has how many SuperBowl rings? Just asking.... "

Farve#4 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Thompson is the problem! He wanted his boy, Rodgers to play and look how many passes over 20 yards the Pack have completed! Plus he sat around did nothing with 30 + milliion dollars in cap room and did not fill any of the needs on this team! O-line, Linebacker and now D-line. However, with that said at least with Farve we would have won one of the last 2 games! "

Sconny wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Why is this garbage even being printed? Is this opinion, attack-piece supposed to be news? I hope it was lifted from the "Opinion" page and not actually considered news. Author Chris Jenkins must hold an awfully big chip on his shoulder about Favre to create such a hateful, non-value-add hit piece on the former Packer QB. "

free_speech wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:56 AM:

" Rodgers was god awful last week. Meanwhile Favre sat the 4th quarter while the Jets rolled. "

philly wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:51 AM:

" How was it not the right move to not obtain Randy Moss last year? He set the WR single season TD record for crying out loud. Geez, like the guy or not he out played every one of our WR's last year. Putting him in the same sentence as Mariucci is a joke. "

lets face it wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:48 AM:

" If he was that bad why didn't you let him come to Minnesota? I know. He would have kicked your butt! "

lets face it wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:46 AM:

" Speaking as a die hard Viking fan I'm sure glad he's gone. I can't believe that Packer fans still don't realize what a BONE HEAD move it was to get rid of him. The pack was one game from the Super Bowl. One game! One field goal! And then you run the leader out of town. Great move! Go pack. Sure glad he wasn't their on Sunday. One question: If he was would you have been trying a 52 yard field goal for the game? Ah,no! You would have had the confidence to throw and then been kicking a 20 yard field goal. "

stubby wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:24 AM:

" After Sunday's game, ANYONE would be better then Rogers. Talk about a loser! TT's boy! As I've stated before, I support my Packers, but not this QB. "

het1996 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:18 AM:

" kbg you have no idea what you are even watching on Sundays if You believe what you just said. "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Wow - sounds like an awful lot of excuses. Every team in the NFL deals with injuries. Sometimes, you just can't replace experience, even if that experience comes with interceptions :) There is no doubt this team would be better with Favre at the helm. "


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