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Opponents of California gay-marriage ban to protest today at City Hall


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For Rosanne St. Sauver and millions of others with one eye on the presidential election and the other on a gay marriage ban in California, the Nov. 4 results were bittersweet.

More than 6 million California residents voted in favor of Proposition 8 banning gay marriage, overruling a 6-month-old state Supreme Court decision.
“I was devastated,” said St. Sauver, executive director of the LGBT Resource Center for the Seven Rivers Region.

A week has passed, and still she gets goosebumps when she thinks of the couples who missed the short window to marry.

Opponents of the ban almost immediately organized protests across California. Today, they’ll spread their message across the country with simultaneous rallies at city halls, statehouses and the U.S. Capitol.

Locally, gay rights supporters plan to protest at 12:30 p.m. outside La Crosse City Hall, 400 La Crosse St.

Wisconsin passed a similar amendment in 2006 with a margin of 59 percent to 41 percent, but St. Sauver said the sense of loss was more heightened last week.

“To get a taste of something and getting to appreciate a freedom and experience it, and then to have it taken away from you, on some level I think that can almost seem worse,” she said.

About Proposition 8

A majority of California voters Nov. 4 supported a ballot measure defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman, overturning a May state Supreme Court decision granting same-sex couples the right to marry. Proposition 8 to amend the state’s constitution passed with about 52 percent of the vote, or fewer than half a million votes.
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Greenlite wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Clyde: Reality is starting to take hold. The country did not elect a President and Congress of "change". it elected a a social engineer who has the media wetting their pants to bow down to them. "

Clyde wrote on Nov 18, 2008 6:51 AM:

" If I am black, asian, hispanic and need to prove it to get special goodies provided by social engineers, how do I prove it. Generally look at my face. If I say I am gay to get special goodies, how do I prove it? "

catmom wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:28 PM:

" To all: I do not oppose your feelings or your quest for equal rights. I have had the "opportunity" to be legally married three times.I wish you luck on your quest for partner benefits.But marriage is a contract,just like buying a car,in my opinion.When you see it you really want to have it, but a few years later, you wish you hadn't did that... "

Greenlite wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:44 PM:

" to aBucky65: Because you are living in San Diego does not make you more enlightened than anyone else. It also does not make your life-style acceptable, nor does your dissing Wisconsin and the residents here add validation to you and your cause. I am glad you live in San Diego. "

a65bucky wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:42 AM:

" WOW! how embarassing and sad. being a gay male growing up in wisconsin on a farm, graduating from UW Madison with honors (first 24 years of my life) and now living in san diego for the past 19 years, i am embarassed and ashamed to say i am from wisconsin. quite honestly, most all your comments show nothing but sheltered, uneducated sad lives that to actually provide you with answers to your questions/comments, i realize is a waste of breath. i can respect you have your thoughts/opinions/values/beliefs-it's too bad you can see only one foot in front of your face and show your true colors. pathetic! our time of equality is close-not only in california but wisconsin as well. "

mullman71 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Can someone explain to me why the LGBT crowd has the right to force their way of life on us? The voters have spoken. That is how our laws work. Get over it. "

Greenlite wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:58 AM:

" One last thing. Where do you get your facts that gay couples tend to stay together longer than heteros? I admit that the divorce rate is high among heteros, but what are the facts about homos, and what is your source? "

Greenlite wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:55 AM:

" As far as the legal issues should your partner get sick I would suggest you go to an attorney and have an advance directive drawn up so that you can take care of him. As far as your house goes you are in the same boat as the rest of us. I could just as easily lose my house should my spouse get ill and is unable to work. If my spouse passes away I am the beneficiary of a life insurance policy (tax free by the way) to help with expenses and cover the mortgage. Who is the beneficiary of your man's life insurance, 401K and any other assets? I'd suggest you get some good advise about financial planning. "

Greenlite wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:48 AM:

" I agree that we take "marrage" way to flipantly, and this is exactly what I am refering to. To Boobabyc: What the gay community has done (using the educational system as a vehicle) is muddied the water when it comes to "marrage". Marrage is a sacred union between a man and woman. That is what the people of Wisconsin and California have voted to protect. Live with your man if you like, but the rest of us don't have to accept your life style. It also has nothing to do with me loving my child should they be gay. I can love them without condoning their actions in a lot of things. "

Consider This wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:19 AM:

" I also noticed notme posted the same question TWICE yesterday, and ALL of the gay rights supporters REFUSED to answer it.

Is he/she onto something here? Will you NOT stand with your brothers/sisters to support/defend ALL RIGHTS? "

Consider This wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:16 AM:

" ["This isn't about California, it's about the nation, and fighting the Mormans, (not the blacks as the Christianists keep trying to push)."]

Are you saying African Americans AREN'T Christians? "

bb wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:09 AM:

" Some of you just don't get it. This is not about sex, it's about basic human rights. I pay taxes, yet I'm a second class citizen (in fact I pay even more taxes than most of you because I have no dependents). Yet, if my partner dies (over 16 years together), I could lose my house (which I make all the payments for). Is that right? In fact, if I do get to keep the house, I have to pay estate tax on it, for something I already own.

I won't even get into the health insurance problems.

This isn't about California, it's about the nation, and fighting the Mormans, (not the blacks as the Christianists keep trying to push). "

boobabyc wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:46 AM:

" and to Mack.. I agree heterosexuals should have a ban on how many times they should be able to get married.. Gay couples have a higher chance of staying together longer than the heteros. as I mentioned in the last blog.. I have been with my man whom I "call my husband" for almost 14 months.. don't you think I should have that right if something were to happen to him that straights do with being able to take care of him the way a married couple can? Just let us be us.

I was not there at the protest because I had to work but if I could have been there I would have. Yes I am GAY and have a job as so many others. Do you want to take that right away from us too? "

boobabyc wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:29 AM:

" To THOSE who think that this is just about California it's not. Let me remind you that we are fighting for our state as well in hope that someday we will have the right to marry who we love. To Greenlite maybe I don't like your lifestyle. What is there to protect the children from? If your child told you he/she were gay I am sure you would change your Mind. We're not leaving, learn to accept who we are as we have to accept you. I myself respect everyone and accept anyone who is willing to open their hearts. It's not a matter of one man and one woman anymore it's about being able to love the one your with as more than just boyfriends but as a union. I for one would like to Marry my Man that I have been happy with for over a year. "

Greenlite wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:18 PM:

" Thank goodness there are still 6 million sane people living in California. Sometimes I wonder about the Sunshine State.
to MarlaRStevens: So, because soem people are committed to a cause strongly enough to stand in inclement weather doesn't make the cause right. If the issue is not going to go away, we will have to fight just as hard to defeat it everytime it comes to a vote. We also have to protect our children in school from being indoctrinated into thinking that your cause is a civil rights issue v.s. a right/wrong issue. Sorry, but I disagree with your lifestyle. "

CommonSense wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:09 PM:

" I saw this group on the news tonight. One of the things they said is "It is nobodys business what goes on between two people who love each other"...if that is the case...why do they always have to throw it in my face?

I am getting so sick and tired of liberals, progressives, and democrats shoving this socialist, humanist "Stuff" in my face all the time? What about MY rights not to be harassed?

The California voters decided that the word marriage is reserved to one mand and one woman. This was not about rights, since gay couples already have the same legal rights as 'marrieds' in California.

What next? "

notme wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:33 PM:

" MarlaRStevens

["the mood was of determination to fight until equality under the law was secured. This is NOT going away."]

Question(s):

Do you support ALL rights including ones RIGHT to self defense?

Will you stand with us when we stage a peacful protest at city hall while ARMED as is our right?

We eagerly await your answer. Please contact us at support.the.2nd@gmail.com "

Willie wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Who really care about flamers anyway, except flamers of course. If they want to marry their gay lovers let them. I'm sure they have consummated already anyway. God doesn't recognize what the government puts on paper anyway. Jesus said "Render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's". God has his own agenda. If they are not following God's wishes they will suffer in eternal damnation. It is not ours to judge. "

mossberg590 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Whats next, a vote to force everyone in this country to church. Got a great idea, if it's not hurting you, if it's not hurting your family. Leave the people alone. Who appointed the majority of this country the "BOSS". I have better things to do, like wondering if I'll have my house,car and food at the end of the month. Then another LAWYER has been voted in as a president. The only change we will see is what change from our paychecks after some more taxes to give the rich a free ride. Worry about some gays, who cares, at least I'm not supporting them. By the way obama, 100 more workers out of Trane, what was that you said about keeping american jobs... ya right. "

MarlaRStevens wrote on Nov 15, 2008 5:26 PM:

" Protests were held with hundreds attending in Iowa in Iowa City, the capitol Des Moines and in the small town of Decora -- all despite freezing temperatures and biting winds. Speakers in Des Moines included state legislators past and present, Ed Fallon and Matt McCoy among them, and the gay couple who managed to marry in the brief interim between a lower court's ruling that the current statutory prohibition against civil marriage equality for same-sex couples in Iowa violates the state constitution's equal protection guarantee and the injunction barring any more civil marriages between same-sex couples pending an appeal to the state's Supreme Court, oral arguments for which are scheduled in December. The crowd included a mix of gay and straight, and people of all ages -- the mood was of determination to fight until equality under the law was secured. This is NOT going away. "

happymom wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:16 PM:

" We happened to drive by this afternoon and saw about twenty to thirty protesters there, waving their rainbow flags and placards. My little girl commented on the pretty flags and asked what those people were doing. Thank goodness she's only five, and I didn't have to enter in to the whole "gay" thing. I just told her they were mad about a decision that was made by people who live in California. I don't think she got it, frankly neither do I. "

Frank Zissou wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:33 AM:

" I'm pretty sure most of the population who is not gay, is just sick of hearing about it. We all do things the laws say we shouldn't, but we have our right to privacy to protect us while we do it. I don't know too many young males who want to get married (to women) before age 30, and I know very few even think about how much money they'd save having a wife......so why do gays? "

conscience? wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Blame the passing of Proposition 8 on Obama. Well it may not be his fault directly, but it passed because he was the democrats choice to run for president. Polls show that in California 42% of whites oppose gay marriage, while 70% of blacks and almost 90% of hispanics oppose it. There most likely would have been less black and hispanics voting if the democrats selection had been of a different ethnicity. And Proposition 8 would have failed. "

Common Sense wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:54 AM:

" notme wrote,

"Will these protesters stand with us, or are they hypocrites? "

The recent experience we had with the womens libbers' treatment of Sarah Palin shows us the hypocrisy of the left. They love and accept everyone unless you have an opinion that differs from theirs. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

It's interesting how the gay movement, while rejecting traditional values now demands to be part of traditional values. It's kind of like cheating flagrantly on your spouse and then expecting no possibility of being of tossed out. "

Mack wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:51 AM:

" This is more of a rights issue than a gay issue. The rights and benfits lavished on married couples has gotten carried away. Maybe we should have a limit on how many times heterosexuals can get married. A lot of marriages are all about the assets and the assets of the next marriage and the next and the next. "

Clyde wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:19 AM:

" It is too bad the definition is 1 man 1 woman. If the homeless could marry 2 other people that have a home this could be an asset to society. Or if 2 people could sign up to be matched with welfare recipients to marry and love and care for this could be a wonderful example of the GBSTG. Why should the arcane arrangement be limited to 2. "

notme wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:38 AM:

" We would like to join this protest, but for a slightly different reason. We are protesting against Wisconsin's an California's strict gun control laws, after all we HAVE the RIGHT to BEAR arms, and these laws INFRINGE upon that RIGHT.

Will these protesters stand with us, or are they hypocrites? "

Just-A-Bozo wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:11 AM:

" ...yawn....too bad they can't find something constructive to do on a cold November Saturday. And as someone else noted, I'm sure it will lead off the TV newscasts and merit a front page pic/writeup in the paper tomorrow. It's interesting how the rest of the population is supposed to tolerate their position but they, somehow, don't have to be tolerant of opposing views, resorting to violence in some cases. "

enuffalready2 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:44 AM:

" Yeah! Protesting all over the country is sure gonna show them Californiaites!!

Oh, well. If there is any justice it will be raining or snowing.

It will be interesting to see how many "protesters" show up. In any case, I'm sure that the media will be there in droves to promote their agenda. "

Athenry wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:29 AM:

" Wheezer - I did read the article and you only drive my point home more, the issue is about Proposition 8 in CALIFORNIA... You do understanf this is a STATE matter and WISCONSIN is not a part of CALIFORNIA. Oh, wait, is the nationwide protest meant to entice absentee votes? You are completely missing how ridiculous it is to protest in Wisconsin (or any other state other than California) to change what is happening IN CALIFORNIA "

Wheezer wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:12 AM:

" wiseup, you are correct when you say that society decides...and their protest is to CHANGE what society thinks. Your name surely does fit you, because you certainly need to WISEUP!

Athenry, try reading the whole article instead of skimming to what you want to hear. They are not just protesting in Wisconsin, but the entire nation to stand in support. And you can protest anything you would like. The last time I heard, no one had taken that right away from you (YET!). "

bb wrote on Nov 15, 2008 5:07 AM:

" If we had let society judge, we'd still have slaves, women wouldn't vote and interracial couples could not marry. "

Athenry wrote on Nov 15, 2008 2:06 AM:

" So let me get this straight (no pun intended) - CALIFORNIA voted down this measure so people are going to protest in WISCONSIN? ROFLMA... Wisconsin should no more control California legislation than California should control Wisconsin legislation. Just curious, but should I plan a protest when New York's planning commission votes down the transit proposal? "

wiseup wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:12 AM:

" Sorry, you and I don't get to decide this issue and neither should any activist judge! Society decides and no ONE person's opinion or vote should count more than anyone elses. "


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